Submitted by rlp on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 15:37.
The history of Suzanne and Foy is found in "Came Grief and Compassion" and "Captain Crunch." Suzanne also briefly appears at the end of "Cutter."
Foy decided he would like to ask Suzanne to have dinner with him, but the thought of picking her up and driving her home felt too much like high school. He had no idea how adults date, having not been on a date since the early 80s.
Is it like it was in high school? Pick her up, eat, drive her home, then get nervous and wonder if you should try to kiss her? Good God, I hope not.
He dropped by Suzanne’s cubicle and asked her. She agreed to have dinner with him and seemed happy about it. He asked if she would mind meeting him at the restaurant.
“No, that’s fine. I actually prefer that for the first date anyway,” she said.
Her eyes opened wide, and she brought her hand up to her mouth.
“I didn’t mean that there would be other dates or anything. Not that that would be…uh, but what I mean is this is just two people having dinner. We both know that, so…”
Suzanne pulled her shoulders up close to her ears and sucked her breath in audibly between clenched teeth. She lightly clapped her hands a few times and then rubbed them together.
“Okay,” she said.
Foy chuckled. “Don’t worry. I know what you meant.”
Suzanne tightened her lips and nodded slowly and deliberately as a humorous admission that she was embarrassed. She pulled her lips apart with a sucking noise and said, “Yeah.”
They agreed to meet for dinner on Friday night at 7 pm at a local restaurant that was not fancy but was quiet.
*******
Foy arrived at the restaurant first. He liked arriving early. He was seated by 6:45 in a booth where he could see the front door. He tried to read a book he had brought with him, but he kept being distracted by a desire to look and see if Suzanne had arrived.
She entered the restaurant a few minutes after 7:00. She glanced around, looking for him, and when her eyes swept across his part of the restaurant, Foy waved. She moved quickly to the table, looking at the ground in front of her feet as she walked. She slid into the booth across from him and flashed a smile.
“Hi,” she said.
"Hey,” he responded. There was a brief silence. Suzanne looked around the restaurant as if she was sizing the place up. Foy watched her eyes moving around. She returned her eyes to him, noticed he was looking at her, and dropped her gaze to her napkin, which she unfolded and set deliberately in her lap. She then interlaced her fingers and placed her hands on the table as if a meeting were beginning. She looked at him as if to say, “Let’s begin.”
Foy felt as though they had crested a hill together, paused at the top, and were going to hold hands and run to the bottom. He had a momentary sense of discomfort and fear, but he relaxed easily because he knew that talking to Suzanne would be very much like running downhill. It would be hard to stop. And Foy could talk to anyone; there was always that. In that brief moment, Foy understood exactly what part of himself to let out. He slipped on his charming, socially adept persona like an ancient priest putting on a robe for the thousandth time.
“You know, when I first met you I noticed you were carrying around a bunch of printer sheets with numbers and accounting stuff all over them. I know you work in accounting, but I still don’t know exactly what you do. I probably won’t understand it, but I’m curious.”
Suzanne cheerfully told him the story of her professional life. She had gotten a college degree in English, but a natural ability with numbers and math had led her into various accounting jobs. She wasn’t a CPA but had earned many of those kinds of responsibilities over the years. She supposed that she liked her job pretty well. “It’s a living I guess,” she said.
She was fascinated that he was once a priest and asked a number of questions about that. She seemed to grant him a certain wisdom and goodness based on his history. He recognized this in her tone and appreciated it, though he would not have granted as much to someone in his same situation. In particular, she wanted to know what had caused him to leave the ministry.
Foy said he had no idea how to describe his spiritual journey through professional ministry and out of it. Then he proceeded to spend 20 minutes doing just that. He fell into the narrative of his life easily and spoke of his early love of scripture, the joy of his theological education, and his discovery of the beauty of tradition, archetype, and myth. He spoke easily, vulnerably, and with great passion, bringing himself almost to tears several times.
“The story of Christianity is handed down to us in the language of archetype and myth. That doesn’t say anything negative about the story or the history behind it. That kind of story language is understandable to people from every age and from every social and economic level. I mean, the gospels are a beautiful collection of stories that will break your heart if you let them. It’s gorgeous. It’s… And yet somehow being a minister began to feel false to me. You can’t get paid for being spiritual without that damaging you somehow. I don’t think you can, anyway. Maybe it was just me. But I got to where I couldn’t tell the difference between myself and the role, you know?”
She nodded slowly, deeply engaged in listening and thinking.
“I don’t know what it would be like to lose yourself in that role, of course. But I know as a woman what it’s like to have a pretty heavy role laid on you and a lot of expectations. And those expectations are good things that you want to be or do, but also things that you could lose yourself in. So yeah, I think I understand.”
Sometimes he would lean across the table toward her, as if he could bring her into his life by drawing their faces nearer to each other. When she spoke he rested his chin in his hand and alternated between watching the way her mouth moved and looking directly into her eyes. Foy didn’t realize that this conversation was very intimate for a first date. As a minister he had become accustomed to getting intimate with people quickly, enjoying the experience, then moving on. He finished his story with a light and humorous description of the office from his point of view, his confusion in the secular world, and the funny things that had happened to him in his new profession. By the time he was done they were both laughing easily, talking rapidly, and gracefully interrupting each other as though their conversation was a dance.
He had no way of knowing how vulnerable she was to such an encounter. He did not know how disappointing her marriage had been, for she had not spoken of it. Her parents had not had much intimacy together, so she had been ill-equipped to know what it meant to find love. And she had been young when she met her husband. After a few years she realized that she was married to a man who could not look her in the eyes and have a conversation. All attempts to draw him emotionally closer to her had failed. He didn’t have much to talk about beyond television, movies, budgets, or lawn care. In fairness to him, she hadn’t been interested in anything beyond that when they had met. It had surprised him when she suddenly wanted deep and abiding conversations with him about life and love and God and everything. The divorce was finalized about a year before Jeremy got sick, so she had gone through that experience alone.
It was strangely appropriate that they had spoken of myth, for she created her own myth in the space of one evening, molding Foy into her perfect image of a man and deciding that all along the problem had simply been that she had not found her soul mate.
By the end of the evening they had covered so much ground that neither could have mapped where the conversation had taken them. Foy couldn’t help but notice how happy she seemed, and this delighted him. In his mind - which was the mind of a writer - he saw the whole thing as a romantic story. Two lonely souls finding each other one evening. She had grieved the loss of a child while he grieved the loss of the Church. How perfect that they should find each other like this. And yet, in that way that is curiously common to writers, he stood somehow apart from it all, doling out his feelings and his language from a detached place, as if he was standing off to the side.
They hugged when they parted. Not a sideways hug, like the one at the office, but a full-on hug with arms around each other. He felt the soft crush of her body as they pressed together, and the smell of her hair filled his nose and made him feel light-headed. She was shy when they parted, and he saw everything in her eyes. And seeing it, he told himself that it was good. It had to be good because she was so happy and so was he.
The following Monday at the office, when Charlene asked how the date had gone, Suzanne replied with only four words.
“Can I keep him?”
rlp

There are 15 Foy Davis Stories. This is an ongoing project. I have no idea where it is going.
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I just love Foy. Keep the
I just love Foy. Keep the story coming!!
Do you think it is wrong for
Do you think it is wrong for a minister to totally embrace that "role" that you describe in the story? To make the image of pastor his identity?
Yes, I do. But some wrong
Yes, I do. But some wrong things cannot be avoided. To totally embrace a role is to be inauthentic. If being pastor means, for example, that I have to be "on" and happy every Sunday, then I become a liar. The Sunday will obviously come when I'm not feeling on or happy or connected to people.
And even for good reasons, that wears on you.
It's a systemic problem. If you are called to be a pastor, you have to live with this reality. But I still think there is something not right about it.
RLP, Foy said, "You can’t
RLP,
Foy said, "You can’t get paid for being spiritual without that damaging you somehow. I don’t think you can, anyway." Do you believe this is true?
Yes I do. It's an
Yes I do. It's an inescapable reality in the modern church. But there will always be a conflict of interest with money. But many churches require full-time ministers. So there you go.
But I still think it's not a good thing, ultimately.
Oh, that word...
Oh, that word... "Vulnerable..."
response re: getting into role
responding to anonymous's wondering questions: I'm not rlp of course, but I have an opinion about that business of role. When I go into "role" in my (lay) ministry, I find myself freed of some of the fears and trepidations I have when I'm just "karla". It's complicated, I think! If one hides behind a role, and that is SO easy to do, you lose yourself (get damaged?) or get ego-maniacal, depending on your particular expression of psyche, I think. But, and I could be blind to self here, I think there are times that the "role" gives you authority to step into places you would otherwise be denied admission. And God can use that beyond our wildest dreams if we're open to it and can maintain our humility in it. But it's always a temptation to lose yourself or go "ego-m". I think I've been in all three of those places, in varying degrees at different times. How much more so for an ordained minister of the church?
I often feel this way too
I often feel this way too about some of the ways we are freed or authorized by a ministry role. I would never in a million years go out of my way to strike up a conversation with a stranger of my own accord -- why would they want to talk to me? But, as a person in ministry, this is required of me (sometimes more often than I'd like) and somehow it's easier because the role gives me some kind of "permission" to do this and not come across as a presumptuous loser. Interesting that you write this, because I am also a lay minister and feel this way too. But, I can readily see how the all-the-time role of ordained ministry can consume a person.
And yet, I AM a person who
And yet, I AM a person who will quite literally talk to anyone -- anyone at all. Thankfully my calling and my personality mesh at this point quite nicely.
I think when I take on the persona of "Pastor" it is freeing for me in other ways. I am free (for lack of better words) to not be "nice" -- to speak truth, but always in love. This is a harder thing for me, for I crave affirmation. When you speak up or out about an issue in a person's life, you are NOT going to get affirmation. You might get anger instead ...
I think the persona of "Pastor" is useful anywhere we can't by ourselves do what needs to be done.
getting paid
I hope I'm not stepping on any toes and I haven't been doing the ministry thing as long as RLP, but here's my view on the money thing.
I have a very strong sense of call. I feel like God has chosen me to use my voice and words to somehow speak God's words to people. This call simultaneously makes me want to stand and shout for joy and poop my pants from fear. So, part of the role is who I am and I would, and have, done it for free. Then someone comes along and says that you can do this thing you love all the time and completely dedicate yourself to it and we'll pay you.
so now who you are is your job, which is never healthy, but you get to completely pour yourself into what you care about most. It's not just a living.
What allows me to sleep at night while I get paid (1/2 time) to be a pastor is remembering when I was doing it for free for a group of junior high kids in Moose Jaw. I remember I spent two years waiting tables so I could lead a youth group in Medicine Hat. I don't do this for money or power or recognition because if I did I would have quit and worked in the oil patch years ago when it didn't come.
I am still, however, early into my fourscore and ten (to paraphrase a wise man I read) so talk to me in a couple of decades and I might wear the burden differently
We can't let a fictional
We can't let a fictional story about one person have anything to say about whether or not you should be getting paid. I get paid to be a pastor. 1/2 time as well, but that's my choice.
This is a character. And I write him as such. So he's often wrong about things. Or, like most of us, right but overstated, or partially wrong, or right but expressed in the wrong way. I'm not moralizing here at all. If I tried to use Foy to make statements, I'd kill him. So he's a guy who had trouble and he wonders if it was the money.
That's all. This is fiction, not writing to make statements. I don't spend ANY time trying to analyze what comes out of me when I imagine how Foy would react and be.
Two Comments
Regarding roles. I used to work as a nursing assistant in a nursing home. Then I went to nursing school and returned to the nursing home as a nurse. Same person with a little more education and a different uniform. I was surprised at the changes in the way I was perceived. I was treated with more respect and considered "the boss" by residents that I took care of. I remember how strange it felt to step into the leadership role and have no one question my ability to fill that role. I worked at that job to the best of my ability. I wanted to earn the respect that was given to me. I later gave up nursing as a career, because there were very stressful aspects of the job that I could not continue to tolerate.
I have been divorced for about 5 months now. Sometimes I think about dating. No one in particular. Just the whole idea of whether or not I could ever have a long term intimate relationship work out... Or if I am just not capable of building that kind of trust with another person. Anyway, I can relate to the Foy and Suzanne thing.
Foy
I really enjoy your Foy stories, especially as his interactions with others grow. Will he hurt Suzanne by not recognizing their different perceptions and expectations? Will they be able to bind each others wounds? Or will nothing substantial either way happen? You've drawn us in and left us wanting more, good job. I still say it should be a novel.
Similar
That sounded a bit like my husband and I. We met over a deli counter. We chatted a bit here and there. And then there was that 45 minute conversation where costumer after customer came and went and his order was repeatedly pushed to the side. He says he left that day and told his brother he'd been talking to the woman he was going to marry. *laughs* He was right. And I DO understand that conversation, that sharing of LIFE. He and I had that our first phone conversation that lasted four hours. I knew then we were meant to be together. It was beyond anything sexual.. it was just... like I said before.. LIFE.
I love how you write. That brought me back to my life, to memories and to how things really can be. Thank you.
Wow
Just wow.
I'm amazed at how well your writing always speaks to me. Foy most of all. While he and I clearly have very different backgrounds and experiences, I can still identify with him deeply. His story is so familiar to me. Keep up the great work!
In Peace Profound,
Nicholas
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