Thank You For Your Kindness & Patience While I Try To Figure Out How To Do This

August 6, 2007 - 12:32pm

First, thank you for your kind comments after my last post. I have strong but mixed feelings about writing in such a way about myself. I don't think anyone has yet figured out exactly what blogs are or what they should be. In my case I think of Real Live Preacher, first of all, as the place where I post/publish very serious works of writing. My essays are precious to me, and I put everything I have into them. Writing is the only area of my life where I can truthfully say I've done my dead-level best. I can't write them any better.

But RLP is also a blog, and another part of my writing here is less polished and more personal. I also venture into the journal side of blogging, which is cool in its own way. I write specifically about my life, and I try to be honest about myself and my own struggles. That doesn't mean my struggles are easier or harder than anyone else's, of course. And sometimes I struggle with things that other people don't even understand. The point for me is seeking honesty, both in writing and about myself and in the place where those intersect.

So now I've opened my life to a lot of people, and some of them have begun to truly care about me, which is a precious and incredibly generous gift for them to give me. But that opens up a whole new level of complexity doesn't it? Ideally, honest, personal writing would have a nice separation between the writer and the reader. In order to write without worrying about the reaction I might get, I enter a state of denial. I write as if no one is going to read my words until after I'm dead. That really is how I think about it, or maybe how I don't think about it.

But of course we all know that I'm not dead, and since you care about me, you want to leave comments and encourage me. Again, that's incredibly kind of you. What a gift! But there are so many of you...yikes! And truly my problems are such run-of-the-mill, normal, human kinds of problems. I don't mean to suggest that I need a telethon or anything. Yesterday I saw a blog entry that just said, "RLP is in pain. Pray for him!" It had a link to my last post.

And I was like, "No, no, no!" Then I felt bad because it was such a kind thing to write, so then I was like, "Well, okay, sure, thanks, but why don't we put whatever compassionate energy we have into some hungry children or something like that, you know?"

You get this, right? So it's okay. There is a tension here, but I can live with it if you can. I can write honestly about myself if I know that we all understand that a blog is the story of one person's life, told imperfectly and awkwardly at times, but in the way that seemed right in the moment. It's weird, I almost don't think of Real Live Preacher as my life. It's just a life. Just someone's life chosen at random. Don't you think this has got to be inducing some kind of serious schizophrenia in me? I don't know. What do I know? I just write stuff as it comes to me.

Okay, but wait, because there is another, more serious, complicating issue that comes with this. And this is actually the harder issue for me. See, almost everyone I know in real life - I mean the people who know Gordon Atkinson - now are aware of Real Live Preacher and read this blog at least occasionally. And that's fine with me. Mostly I just write stuff and then never speak of it around my friends unless they bring it up, and then I try to change the subject. But reading a posting on a blog is an awkward, crummy way for people to find out that a friend is sick or hurt or depressed or got fired or whatever. So I always know that when I write about a personal struggle, my mom will probably call me, worried. My sister will get worried. People in the church won't know what they should or shouldn't say. And I start feeling like a lousy friend, brother, son, husband, father, pastor, whatever. I mean, don't the people in your life deserve to hear stuff straight from you?

And I think that using a blog to send messages to people in your life is a VERY unhealthy thing to do. It's creating a dysfunctional communication triangle with two people and a blog. That's not straight, honest communication. I try never to do that. I never consciously use Real Live Preacher to send a message to anyone. Only I guess it probably seems like I do to my friends and family. I'm really sorry for that, but I can't call everyone I know and tell them what I'm going to write ahead of time. And even if I could it would be such a grandiose, self-absorbed kind of thing to do.

Let's face it. Here is a hard truth:

There is no good way to write about yourself with any depth and honesty if people who know you and care about you are reading your words while you are still alive. There is no way to do this without causing problems. At least I haven't figured out a way yet.

So here's what I've come up with...for now. For those of you who only know me through my writing, you can do whatever you want. Send comments, pray for me, whatever feels right to you. I don't care if it's one comment or a hundred. I'm going to try not to be embarrassed and to accept that this is a unique situation we're in. I understand your compassion, and if I were you I'd probably leave comments and send email to me. You go right ahead. I'll read them all, and they do matter to me. I love you for that.

For those of you who are my friends (in real life) and family and especially those of you who are a part of my faith community, I'm sorry if my writing makes things a little awkward between us. I'm trying to push the edges but also not go too far. I'm trying to write about one man's life, and mine is the only life I know well enough to write about. If I write about something and don't bring it up when we talk, I'd love it if we could both just let it go and not worry about it. If I need to talk about it, you know I will. But if you are worried about me, having read something at Real Live Preacher, feel free to ask me about it if you want to. If I write about it, you can ask about it. That's only fair.

I can't think of any physical or social thing - no amount of possessions or wealth or power - that is as important as relationships. Our relationships are our most important treasures. I want mine to be straight and honest and healthy.

You probably didn't need to read any of this. But I needed to write it, so that I can try to keep it straight in my mind. Ironically, I'm probably the most confused person in the weird, online world of Real Live Preacher.

Thanks for listening,

gordon

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 1:32pm.

Thank you for writing of your depression again. I am a pastor and I am a fellow sufferer. The 'black dog' (as Winston Churchill called it) has been my companion for 6 years now. His presence is felt and noticed strongly sometimes and less at others. But he is always there. My medicine has helped me cope and gives me the strength to act as I should and sometimes even enjoy life.

I copied your essay to my wife. I desperatley want her to understand me and when I read something like what you wrote (which graphically demonstrates the common symptoms we face) I just want her to be able to wrap her arms around me and say, 'I get it.' I don't know why that is such a strong desire of mine but it is. However, she lives with me and for that I am eternally grateful.

I guess I just wanted to share that with you. I am praying. Oh and by the way, I say take the medicine and fuck the medicine - it helps me but I hate it.

Tony
tp1965@gmail.com

Submitted by atticus on August 6, 2007 - 3:35pm.

this is great blog information...this should be part of a pamphlet: blogging 101 or something, esp. the part about the comfortable space between the writer and the reader. good stuff. and for the record, i sent my random subscriber check hours before you posted,so it was not a pity check or anything. never, never that. and i don't feel as uneasy with your crazy honesty, well, maybe a little still, but i think i always worried more about how your church members and your family and your friends were feeling, so , well, i think this is very helpful; not sure why i would worry about such things, but i bet we all do a little.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 4:22pm.

Your blog is yours, so make it whatever you want it to be, even if that varies from day to day. I think it is cool that you ask your "real" friends, family, etc. to let it go unless you bring up the subject, thus freeing you to write as / what you like without having to talk about it everywhere you go.

-g

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 4:45pm.

Thank you for writing honestly. I read your blog to remind me that I'm not alone in working out my faith, and in caring for my spouse and children. We all have our problems/issues, but that's all the more reason to reach out to one another. Thanks for doing so. -Sorel Top

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 4:52pm.

Hey, that's kinda what I thought about reacting to your blog. I mention it if it is a topic that is banal or funny, if I think it has a bearing on something we are already talking about. And I try to only go all out if I am really concerned...and I do it privately...and, I usually see there is a problem anyway.

I have less issues about what people think about my blog. You know this about me. I think it's because I am 100% judging vs 0 % persuading on the personality tests. When I learned what that meant, it made some things I do so clear to me. I don't persuade because I really don't care and I don't care because I am not a persuader. Only those in my little introvert's circle get to make me care. I just can't be brought to action by an individual who is outside my circle and doesn't like me. Now, as for mankind in general, I am often spurred to action for the general good. Weird, huh?

Old Poet (I am gonna have to log in one of these days.)

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 5:44pm.

Gordon,

I've been reading the posts. Haven't commented in a long time. Thank you.

WH

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 6:43pm.

Gordon, darlin,
You totally rock. And so does your family. Tell 'em I said so.

The gift and curse of being a "teller"....which is what you are.....is that those close around you are likely to be told on at one point or another. The blessing/curse for them is learning how to get over it. The blessing/curse for you is learning how to live with it.

You are doing a great work in the service of our Lord. So is your family. By default.

Someday I pray I will be as brave as you are. And your family. They rock. Oh, I already said that.

Peace. And I had a dream about one of your posts. Before you posted it. If that matters.

Presbyterian Gal

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 6, 2007 - 9:39pm.

Your writing helps me/has helped me in ways that books can't. Looks like this is an additional price YOU pay for reaching out to so many strangers in this way. You devote much time and effort to all this, and you enjoy it, right?

Nothing here is really free, not even for the non-subscribers.
Thank you RLP. I know this wasn't your intention, but the checks in the mail (so to speak). Really.

Submitted by KQ on August 6, 2007 - 11:18pm.

Gordon, I think it must take herculean strength to hold your family, "real life" people, RLP, church ministry and writing - all at the same time. And it's impossible to keep all of those things from mixing up a little, isn't it? It's only human of you.

And we readers (who don't know you in real life) come here because you are so very human.

Perhaps it would help, when embarassment or confusion occurs over your reader's generous compassion for you, to remember that you touch our lives with your words. That is your gift to us... allow us to give back what we can. Best advice for receiving a gift: just thank you.

Oh, and: thank you, Gordon.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 7, 2007 - 2:21am.

Gordon, thank you for your confession. After months of going around and around about this same thing with my wife and kids I have decided to finally get help.

There is another side to this issue that I have seen addressed by you and other authors - an issue with which I struggle. My depression inspires my writing, or so it seems. As such it is a gift I give to my little world over here. What a crock of manure though to say that pain must be endured in order to come bearing gifts. And yet, at the same time I am fearful that I will lose who and what I am if I get on medication that will alter my mood. Personally I want to make peace with my depression and learn to live with it without losing its painful inspiration. Is it ludicrous to want to tame the dragon just to enter it into a dog and pony show?

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 7, 2007 - 5:01am.

Gordon, my grandmother, my great-aunt, and my mother have all suffered from depression. In the 1950s,and then again in the 1980s, they sent my grandmother for electroshock therapy, which helped her but screwed up her memory. Her sister--my great aunt--refused to be treated and ended up killing herself with booze and pills. When my mother began to manifest symptoms, she went to therapy AND started on anti-depressants, which she has taken for years (although at only a trace dose, at this point). Take the medicine, Preacher. You are suffering from a physical ailment that happens to affect your mind. Chase the Noon Day Demon back into its lair. Life is hard. Depression makes it harder. It's not "you," or your personality: it's your physiology. When you are depressed, your mind will find reasons for you to feel the way that your body is telling you to feel. It's not your fault. It's just sucky luck that you suffer from this ailment. You can treat it.

Good luck, amigo. I love your blog. I'll pray for you.

MJCIV

Submitted by Jenny Valent on August 7, 2007 - 7:05am.

Yes, it is quite a quandry, and I fully understand. As a fairly active blogger in MySpace world, my blog does serve a bit as a journal for me - and yet - I am always aware that others (and especially people who know me) are reading it. So there is always the veneer of polish and emotional control in what I write, even in my attempt to be candid.

I think that if most of us wrote the way we REALLY, REALLY felt at times, then we'd all appear seriously disturbed - I know I would! Kudos to you for attempting to tread the deep waters with your keyboard. That takes a lot of guts, and I wish there was a way that more of us could do that.

http://www.myspace.com/ashvajenny

Submitted by Annie B on August 7, 2007 - 9:52am.

You wrote "Ideally, honest, personal writing would have a nice separation between the writer and the reader." But but but - good writing INVOLVES the reader - allows the reader to relate, to bring their own self, their own ideas, their own imagination to the story being told. Then we can learn something from the story.

I think your blog sparks so many responses because you are telling a story many can relate to, can say "oh yes, I've felt like that!" Or perhaps "wow, that sounds like what my wife/husband/son is going through."

It's hardly different from telling the raccoon story, which is why I came to this blog in the first place - I was having raccoon problems, so I could relate to that story, and you helped me solve my problem by telling me how you solved yours.

When someone tells me how, in theory or in dogma, to deal with a problem, I often don't relate, it doesn't resonate, I probably won't follow that advice. But if they tell me their own story of dealing with the same problem, I usually feel understood and I feel guided.

Who knows - maybe God saddled you with this problem so MANY people have for that very reason?

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 7, 2007 - 10:31am.

from nancy in san antonio ...
you make think it a bit strange to air your dilemma via blog, but just for the record, i truly believe you help folks, i know you have me. you seem "real" to me, and i don't find too much of that in the "church world". so thanks!

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 7, 2007 - 10:49am.

I read through your previous post imagining "Foy" everywhere you wrote "I" -- (I know that Foy is not Gordon, but neither, as you said, is RLP.) It was interesting and made me think about the spaciousness and limitations of fiction.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 7, 2007 - 10:19pm.

thanks gordon, please keep writing if you can do so w/o thinking it hurts those close to you. peace. we do truly care.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 8, 2007 - 12:46am.

The bottom line is relationship. Our relationships to others and how we conduct them define our value in this life - be that relationship to our family, friends, or those unknown who we encounter in person or by word. A good relationship of any of those types is the stuff of God.

Why would our relationship with God be any less complex or not be as marvelous as those others?

Dan

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 8, 2007 - 10:48am.

normally i dont comment peoples blogs. i just kind of listen to people and then go on to the next page i need to view. however, seeing as i frequent yours and feel for you i felt the need to comment. i know you cant write back. i havent a way to e-mail you on this computer, id like to sponsor you like it says but being a kid i havent a way to do so. but i felt the need to tell you that your struggles help me with my own. i really enjoy reading about your struggles, as cruel as that may sound i assure you i dont mean it in any negative way. but i think i may share in your depression. but i put on a face and i dont complain. i feel like ive been abandoned by all but you. keep posting, and ill keep holding on. thanks for everything.

always,
paige

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 8, 2007 - 11:34am.

paige,
beautiful comment...... i read all with interest, too. sometimes, i comment. sometimes the comments move me most. thank you for yours.
orangeblossoms

Submitted by rlp on August 8, 2007 - 1:22pm.

Thank you Paige!

gordon

Submitted by Clare Lane on August 8, 2007 - 1:09pm.

"Yesterday I saw a blog entry that just said, "RLP is in pain. Pray for him!" It had a link to my last post.

And I was like, "No, no, no!" Then I felt bad because it was such a kind thing to write, so then I was like, "Well, okay, sure, thanks, but why don't we put whatever compassionate energy we have into some hungry children or something like that, you know?"

I always feel like this when people ask me to pray for something. For example i'm trying to sell my car and my aunt tells me to pray about it. I want to think that, if I were to pray, somehow God would come down, give me a cosmic whack on the head, and say "Yeah there's a thing called AIDS in Africa".

"God? I hope so"

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 10, 2007 - 4:14pm.

Soooooo, you and Gordon are saying we shouldn't pray (God doesn't care about) about our personal cares and concerns because there are always bigger ones out there. I suspect that if someone is whacking us on the head to get us to stop praying about our own needs because they are trivial and/or unimportant, that someone is not God.

Submitted by rlp on August 11, 2007 - 3:54pm.

Noooooo,

That was my reaction when I read that. My natural reaction. That doesn't mean it was the right thing, nor did I suggest, say, or imply that.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 9, 2007 - 2:36am.

In the MFA program I attended for a short time at Pitt, the relationship between reader and writer came up in almost every class, especially in the two important ways you have pointed out--distance and honesty. Now I have always been an autobiographical writer, whether I'm writing an essay, a paper, or a short story. And here I was being pretty consistently taught that you "must" consider the who and where and why of your audience as you write. That little "must" made me actually stop writing for several years. When not writing hurt enough, I reverted to pre-MFA teaching: I have to write as if no one is ever going to read a word of it (which is close to the truth anyway). Otherwise I am so inhibited by both the technicalities of writing and the reality that there really isn't anything all that new under the sun that I just fold. I've been lucky with my family and friends as my audience, both because they're smarter than I am, and figured out the nothing new, nothing that unusual about them thing way before me; as an added bonus, they actually prefer that I write than not write. Sometimes I warn them, sometimes I don't, but they have never wanted to be editors, either inside my head or outside it.

And the depression? I certainly don't have your gift for story, but I have written depressed, and I have written not depressed. When it goes well, I'm tempted to think that mood and mental status have something to do with it. When it doesn't go well, I think the same damn thing. Really though? I believe that writing is about our voices, and yours is so very strong that, as others have encouraged you, I don't think that depression or "height or depth" or even a Kansas tornado can stop it.

kait

P.S. Gosh I am not nearly as unselfish as you and some of the others are about prayer. When someone offers to pray for me, I say yippee!! I figure there's room for me, Africa, Paige, and all other comers. Being Catholic helps with that--you know we have absolute crowds of beings-- from saints to the Blessed Mother to our own passed on loved ones working on it too. :)

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 11, 2007 - 12:18am.

I had coffee with a friend this afternoon and I sensed that she doesn't know what to say about my blog, and she seems to think that she should say something. I think my early morning rant left her a little taken aback. For me, it was just the moment. A way to get out of that particular moment, really. Write it, post it, let it go...

I sometimes think that I should turn off comments, that it would make me braver and I would just write. I don't know what the answer is.

I am glad you are writing about depression. I am doing well now, thanks be to God, but the black dog never quits. Sometimes I hear his clickity-clakity paws as if on hard wood, reminding, foreboding. I am thankful for every day that I have a reason to live, even if it's small. I haven't blogged about it. Don't know if I will or not.

Working out the complexities of this new medium is important and I think this post is an important contribution. Thanks.

Lindy

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 11, 2007 - 11:01am.

I appreciate when you write about the struggle between the desperate need to be seen (read)and the fear of being truly seen! I have to assume that most of us who blog (whatever moves us too need to be that "out there" in the world)live with that uncomfortable pull of needs. I have lost the courage to blog (though I felt is was saving my sanity) because of these opposing pulls. I admire that you keep with it, that you continue to be as honest as possible and as careful with the feelings of others as possible. I believe those of us who need to "tell" are compelled to do that at least in some part by the Holy Spirit. I often feel the still small voice whispering among your words. Keep writing as bravely as you can. I will gratefully keep reading...