Web 2.0

November 19, 2007 - 10:49am

So we've all been hearing about Web 2.0. It's sort of like the word postmodern. People say it - you even say it - but the meaning behind it is slippery.

I've had an intuitive "feel" for Web 2.0 for a long time. That's what brought me to blogging, strangely enough. I wanted to write and "felt" that this was a good way to do it. I'm rather stuck between traditional media and social media. I did write a book, but it didn't sell that well, and I don't care enough to try to do anything about that. I do write for a magazine, but I send them traffic with my blog. Where do I fit in all this?

Once traditional media sources were the gatekeepers, the lords of information. And we needed these experts. We still need them, but we need them in different ways. In the new world of information, millions of people write and tag information either formally with tagging systems, or informally by linking to something they like. Good, reliable information rises to the top through a fascinating system of trust and reputation. Break that trust and you'll find your links disappearing quickly and your traffic dwindling.

We need experts to help tag information and create the links and the networks. You won't be as much of a star as a columnist or anchor-person, but you will be in the game. You probably won't be in the game if you can't let go of traditional media ideas.

Write well. Write about true things. Write responsibly and use the best information you can gather. People will read you and tag you and link to you. Good information has a way of rising to the top. Not all good information rises to the top, but that's always been the case. Not every good writer was published in the old system either. Occasionally some junk gets through, but that's always been the case as well. Trust me on this: if you are a writer, you have a better chance in this new world. More good writers will be read in our new world of networked information.

If these changes threaten or anger you, join in the conversation. But PLEASE resist the juvenile urge to find some single perceived flaw with the Internet and trumpet it loudly and with glee. e.g. the Wikipedia critics who keep telling us that bad information could get in. GASP! REALLY? I'll keep that in mind as I weigh the benefits of this massive and constantly updating information network against my 2001 Encyclopedia Britannica.

This developing information system isn't perfect. No system is. Would you like us to list the flaws inherent in newspapers and television news? Do you really want to compare the amount and quality of information that a motivated person could gather 25 years ago with the information an experienced internet veteran can gather in 20 minutes today?

Check out this video. It tells the story pretty well.

Hat tip to TGIS.

rlp

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 11:29am.

The video is inspiring, and very well done.

No though, I haven't really been hearing anything about Web 2.0 to tell you the truth.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 12:23pm.

No "top" is right. I love that this professor is working in Manhattan, KS, not Manhattan, NY.

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on November 19, 2007 - 12:25pm.

Interesting ...
I guess it's hard to fully comprehend and appreciate the sea change with information that is happening all around us. For a good while, it seemed the digital age that was supposed to free us from our paper constraints was to inundate us with choking gigabytes of information. Now we are finding our way out of the morass with more sophisticated digital tools. It turns out the culprit wasn't the amount of information but our tendency to fall back to familiar systems of organization. I'm thinking about most computers data filing system interface that looks and acts like a file cabinet - which is little improvement over organized stacks of papyrus in a dusty cave. Maybe we're making some progress.
Also: Nice to see great stuff coming out of Kansas State - Hale Library was looking good. Admittedly a biased alumnus.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 1:07pm.

There are some interesting parallels between your career path and Wil Wheaton's. He started out as an actor (Stand by Me, Star Trek TNG, etc) and now he's a writer, mostly in online media.

http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 1:12pm.

But Gordon is cuter than Wil. Or so it appears from the pictures on the blog....

Submitted by reverend mommy on November 19, 2007 - 1:16pm.

Hey!
I edit Wikipedia.
Don't you?

http://reverendmommy.blogspot.com
If God intended us to be vegatarian, why did He make His critters so dern tasty?

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 1:18pm.

The video was really well done. It makes a good point too. The semantic web really does have the power to revolutionise the way we interact with information.

I'm afraid that, to my mind at least, you're a generation out though Preacher. Web 2.0 is normally used to refer to the interactive multimedia web. It introduces things like video and applets to web pages. The semantic web (where information is organised by meaning rather than the now standard content search) is more commonly called web 3.0. As are a whole fleet of other technologies. Nomenclature makes my head hurt. :(

Your observations on how to get information to propagate are insightful too. Yet another brilliant post. :)

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 1:55pm.

On the one hand, I'm old fashioned. I miss card catalogs--the smell of the wood fibers, the sound of the flip, flip, flip. On the other hand, I love being able to "talk" to people across the world, to discover new worlds with fingers on a keyboard, getting lost in a maze of interests and never knowing how you got there, and finding a book.
You know, this idea of the masses organizing information rather than the experts is the Romantic movement taken further down the line.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 1:55pm.

Oh, that was me (the Tevye hands above).
Heather at http://heathergoodman.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 5:03pm.

Heather, go to the New York Public Library on 42nd Street and figure out something to research in the Berg Collection -- card catalogs! And they use really cool old pneumatic tubes to call the books that are requested. Truly the best of both worlds.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 3:09pm.

Don't know about the Web 2.0 or Web 3. But I sure agree that it's a brave new information world here, swingin' like Spidey Man on the World Wide Web! It is changing a whole lot of things. And I believe for the better, overall.

Personally, I like it very very much. And I disagree with the talking head who said on the news a bit ago that blogging has reached it's peak and is now dying a slow death.

Presbyterian Gal

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on November 19, 2007 - 4:31pm.

Probably the same prognosticator who in the mid '90's claimed the Internet wouldn't amount to anything. My observation is that those who claim certainty about the future are usually wrong and sometimes lucky.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 19, 2007 - 4:34pm.

Not criticizing but pondering...

How to do balance what we know about the biblical prophets with:

"Write well. Write about true things. Write responsibly and use the best information you can gather. People will read you and tag you and link to you..."

If prophecy, in many situations, is speaking the truth to folks don't want to hear it. Can we trust that the best stuff will rise to the web 2.0 top?

http://adamcopeland.wordpress.com

Submitted by rlp on November 19, 2007 - 8:55pm.

Can we trust the best stuff will rise to the top?

Yes, as well as any human system does that. And I'm talking strictly information here - writing, news, that stuff. Nothing specifically religious.

I think this system will have its errors, but less people will be left out. Look, under the old system, the gatekeepers keep pumping money into Brittney Spears instead of hearing new talent. Why? Money. The new system AT LEAST puts these decisions in the hands of all of us and money isn't the driving source.

I mean, it's got to be an improvement, right?

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 20, 2007 - 1:13am.

You've hit on a good point here RLP. The media system powered by money, greed and nepotism has prevented a lot of profound talent and inspiring voices from public expression. At least here those truly talented and profoundly inspiring have a greater opportunity of rising to the surface.

It's, at the very least, worth a shot.

Presbyterian Gal

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 20, 2007 - 10:06pm.

I reckon it's a good question. I'm pondering too!

Is climate change a good example? Nobody wanted to hear about that at first. But the same newspapers that dismissed the first climate change 'prophets' as alarmist fruitcakes are now publishing stuff about how to minimize our environmental footprint. Public opinion has changed, and newpapers try to keep up so people keep buying them.

The internet has less drive for conformity than a newspaper, which means an individual reader can find crazed rantings on all sides of the issue, and make up their own mind. But will online information influence popular opinion because it gets tagged and linked to a lot? Or will it be tagged and linked to because it reflects popular opinion?

Is it the same chicken-and-egg situation as the newspapers? Will writers aim for 'most read' instead of 'most true'?

Submitted by Billb on November 19, 2007 - 8:44pm.

The video is by Michael Wesch of Kansas State University.

Google Digital Ethnography.

There is also another video (amongst others) the he and his students made called "The Machine is Us/ing Us" - it's even more amazing than this one - which is pretty good too.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 20, 2007 - 11:31am.

I love that this post and the video are included in Real Live Preacher! The Web is a great tool to reach people with the gospel in new ways. It's reaching out to them where they live rather than waiting for them to come to us. If Jesus walked the earth today, I just know he'd be blogging! :)

MLT

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 20, 2007 - 4:02pm.

I have said half jokingly that I can see a day when we all outsource our higher brain functions to Google.

When I graduated high school the internet was just beginning and skeptics all over the place said...it will never happen. It was something my 2400 baud modem linked up to through something called a bulletin board service. Wow have things changed.

I can write an entire paper for my MDiv sighting sources only on the internet...and for those skeptics who say you can not find the oldies on the internet (Cheserton, Luther etc) they are all over the place now.

God Bless the Internet!

Carl
thoughtsofagyrovague.com

Submitted by Keith on November 21, 2007 - 8:34am.

I use Wikipedia extensively for novel research, since novels don't have to be factual.

Accurate information does occasionally creep into the entries, but it's usually gone pretty soon.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 21, 2007 - 9:24am.

I lived in Oklahoma in the 1970s and 1980s, and was a young mother during the early 1980s. I had access to a local newspaper, but my access to magazines and national newspapers was limited by factors of time and money (no money to buy them, limited time to read in the library -- except during story hour.)

Recently I saw a film about the anti-apartheid movement in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the U.S. and found myself wondering if I had even been living in the same country. I had been painfully ignorant of much of what had been going on around me, and it wasn't for lack of appetitie for information or for caring.

So I see so much good out of the Web, the enhanced ability of people everywhere of all income levels to have access to information. Of COURSE, you have to discerning and look at sources of information, but that's nothing new.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 21, 2007 - 3:09pm.

Very much enjoyed the video and folks' comments here. Thank you, and a happy Thanksgiving to all! :-)

Submitted by Billb on November 21, 2007 - 3:33pm.

Far too many people miss the real purpose of the "media" . . . which is to sell soap at whatever price per set of eyeballs the market will bear . . . and to make a profit doing so.

No more - no less. As long as you keep that in mind when you wonder why in the world the "media" do the things they do - it will make a lot more sense.

BTW - I've been on both sides of the media fence as a generator - and as a consumer. Even in what's generally considered the "Glory Days" of media/news coverage, if the program didn't sell enough soap - it quickly ceased to be.

Even Mr. Murrow did celebrity "interviews" to pay the bills . . .

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 22, 2007 - 8:52am.

Luckily, however, while that used to be true of the internet in general through the content on websites, this has been relegated to ad space in the sidebars, or unobtrusive google ads kept in out-of-the-way places.

When the user is given the opportunity to generate the content, big business merely becomes another user - it levels the playing field a little. Of course, big business doesn't like that, which is why everyone needs to be made aware of Net Neutrality issues that are abounding right now. Everyone should check out sites like http://savetheinternet.com for more information.

Will
wkinchlea.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 23, 2007 - 10:48am.

I love what RLP says in this post about writing something good. So much of what's created and distributed--in traditional media and Web 2.0--is crap. Write as if it mattered! Write, as Annie Dillard, says, as though you were writing for the dying.

Say something true and beautiful--as RLP so often does here.

Greg
theotherjesus.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 23, 2007 - 4:00pm.

My website is just static information. It gets a lot of hits because of the Christian wisdom on it.

But last week, I decided to risk putting lingospot on some of my pages. Hmm! It started to look a little snazzy. The box offered internal and external links. It offered wikipedia entries on the terms. Sometimes it didn't .... Hmmm. Maybe, just maybe I could learn to write wikipedia entries. After all, something's better than nothing...

I hear a sucking sound! Yikes! I could get sucked into the cyberworld! Then again, what's so wrong with just one little entry ....

Tim Temple
orderofsaintpatrick.org

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 26, 2007 - 7:42am.

Dang, I never use tags. I suppose I should. Too dependent on "grep", I suppose...

--textjunkie