Depression Relapse

August 19, 2005 - 3:32pm

People told me that it would take some time to get my medication figured out. They said I shouldn’t get discouraged if the first medication isn’t right for me, or if it takes some “trial and error” to get the dosage right.

So I felt lucky when the first medication turned out to be the right one. 25mg, 50mg, then 75mg, the magic number. I take three little brown pills each night, and my depression, anxiety, and anger are nowhere to be found.

I’ve decided that I like this way of living. I’ve come to accept this new life as normal for me. Depression? That’s something that used to plague me long ago in some other life. You know, back in the days when I was too stubborn to go to the doctor. I have to laugh when I think of how stupid I used to be.

Yeah, right.

I’m like a guy who wanders into church for the first time and thinks he “gets it.” Six months later he wants to teach a bible study and meet with the pastor to explore the possibility of ordination.

God, I should have seen this coming. Fucking Pride. They do say it comes just before the fall.

A couple of weeks ago I was cleaning up around the television. I grabbed a half-empty can of Diet Coke and headed for the kitchen. Jeanene said, “That’s my Diet Coke.” I nodded, but continued toward the kitchen, thinking I would put it on the counter for her. She didn’t see me nod and repeated herself a little louder. “That’s MY Diet Coke.”

I nodded again, but for some reason it didn’t register that she wanted me to leave the Diet Coke where it was. I was thinking of other things and by this time was just entering the kitchen. Jeanene, thinking I hadn't heard her, spoke up again, this time loudly.

“THAT’S MY DIET COKE!”

A surge of rage coursed through me like an IV push of pure adrenalin. There was no question of holding it back. The best I could do was to keep from yelling at her. I whirled around and hissed through my clenched teeth.

“I HEARD you. I was just going to put it on the COUNTer!”

Jeanene looked shocked and a little hurt. There was no reasonable explanation for this anger, nor was there any warning of its arrival. I was embarrassed and immediately regretful, but the residual effects of the anger were still with me, so I turned around and put my hands wide apart on the kitchen counter. Then I leaned forward, dropping my head and letting my weight rest on my hands. I didn't want anyone to see my face. This anger felt familiar, as did the feelings of sadness that now rushed into the void it left behind. Later I apologized to Jeanene.

Then Friday night came. The girls had a couple of friends over for the evening. To me it seemed like there was a chattering mob of people in my house. There were only five girls, but it felt like twenty-five. I began to feel anxious, so I retreated to my bedroom with some Poptarts and my computer.

Jeanene found me there and looked at me with her head tilted slightly. It was the “Why are you way back here and so disconnected from us?” look.

That’s when it hit me. The depression was back. My heart started beating faster. I paced back and forth in the bedroom, fretting and picking at the skin around my fingernails. Crazy thoughts fluttered around in my head.

“What if the medication is losing its power? What if it becomes less and less effective until I feel like this all the time again?”

“What if modern science is wrong and there really are demons in the world? What if some graduate school demon has selected me as the subject of his dissertation?”

Saturday was horrible, just like the old days. I didn’t want to do anything productive, and doing nothing made me feel even worse. I held on and waited for night to come, though I dreaded going to bed. I wondered if Sunday morning was going to be bad.

No. Sunday was a good day. I was in a great mood, and I had a wonderful time with the three sisters that afternoon. Monday morning I woke up and felt as though I was “back to normal,” whatever that is.

I don’t know what happened that week. It was like some dark presence inside of me surfaced briefly to remind me that my journey to emotional health is just beginning.

Trust me. I’m properly humbled. I keep parroting phrases I either heard when I was a chaplain in a rehab unit or on television from George Bush senior.

“Easy does it.”

“Stay the course.”

“One day at a time.”

“Trust the process. Quitting now wouldn’t be prudent.”

My medication does have a few annoying side effects. The worst of these is a ringing in my ears that sounds sort of like crickets. It gets louder if I clench my teeth. And I still occasionally wonder if I really have a chemical imbalance, like my doctor says I do. At this point, it’s almost a moot question. I feel good, and I don’t mind taking drugs if that’s what I have to do to feel this way.

Ouch. That sounds familiar. It sounds like things I heard addicts say in rehab. You know what? I don’t care. That’s the way it is. I have to take drugs, and I’m going to keep taking them, though I wish I could find some way to make the damn crickets go away.

In spite of this recent bump in the road, I have reasons to celebrate. I feel joy again. Joy in living and not just in writing about living. And I can write as much as I want now. Writing is a legitimate way for me to spend my time and not just an irresponsible way for me to escape my sadness and anxiety.

Nothing has been broken that cannot be fixed. Jeanene loves me, and the three sisters are all smiles. They tell me they had forgotten how silly and funny I can be. I’m joking around again and playing pranks. Reiley called me on my mobile phone the other night, and I answered with a Cockney accent:

“Oy, Bob! This ere bird thinks Oi’m er father!”

Yeah, daddy’s back. And he’s so glad to be here.

And you know what? Time is on my side. I have a lot of living left to do, assuming I manage to stay alive. The presence of God seems very real to me right now, and there is joy in my humble prayers.

And I think God is hearing my prayers, even over the sound of the crickets.

rlp

Submitted by will smama on August 19, 2005 - 4:34pm.

Thanks for sharing your journey through a dark place. Glad this side trip was a short one. BTW - I think the first person that makes a crack about scientology should be booted off the site ;)

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 4:47pm.

Hey rlp, you might wanna consider scientology!

Just kidding.

Submitted by jeffthefish on August 19, 2005 - 4:48pm.

I didn't mean to be anonymous. :( I mean to take responsibility for the dumb things I say.

www.jeffthefish.com

Submitted by Little Green Friend on August 19, 2005 - 4:50pm.

The brain is a funny thing, preacher.  With my ADD, my emotions tend to go from one extreme to the other. Some people thought that I was bi-polar until I was diagnosed with ADD. The medication doesn't always fix the problem 100%, but it helps. Keep fighting the good fight, and know that you have people praying for you.
 
Come check me out at http://littlegreenfriend.blogspot.com or my movie reviews at http://littlegreenreviews.blogspot.com 1 John 4:19-21

Submitted by april on August 19, 2005 - 7:41pm.

Yay!! Another ADDer!!

I've been told that it's been mistaken for bipolar disorder all the time. *shrug* We're not fast cycling bipolar, we just have an inconsistant attention span.

Once I found the medication that works, it was when I finally got glasses for the first time. It's a good analogy--glasses don't fix your eyes, they just make it easier to function. ADD drugs are sorta the same thing.

Submitted by april on August 19, 2005 - 7:41pm.

Yay!! Another ADDer!!

I've been told that it's been mistaken for bipolar disorder all the time. *shrug* We're not fast cycling bipolar, we just have an inconsistant attention span.

Once I found the medication that works, it was when I finally got glasses for the first time. It's a good analogy--glasses don't fix your eyes, they just make it easier to function. ADD drugs are sorta the same thing.

Submitted by Dylan on August 19, 2005 - 5:08pm.

Please don't think you have to come up with some justification for taking medication. If medication helps a lot and does little harm, then it's worth taking. Medication plus talk therapy is almost always more effective than medication alone. I'm not aware of any clinical evidence that differentiates between the "situationally depressed" and the "chemically imbalanced." Heck, I'm not even sure that there's a solid basis for calling chocolate a "food" and a pill a "drug" if they have similar effects on mood.

The bottom line for me is that anything I acquired honestly and use in such a way that increases the fruit of the Spirit in my life isn't something I need to feel guilty about. Of course, feelings of guilt can (in some cases) be a symptom of depression, and sometimes depression is just like the weather. You look outside and see it's raining. It might mean that this isn't a good day to play croquet (or maybe it means that it's an excellent day to put on a bathing suit to laugh hysterically while playing croquet in the rain, followed by wrapping up in a beach towel inside to drink unseasonable tropical beverages). It doesn't say much at all about what I can and can't do or what things will look like next week, let alone six months from now.

Thanks again for sharing your journey with this.

____________________
Sarah Dylan Breuer
http://www.sarahlaughed.net/

"We live as though the world were what it should be, to show it what it can be."
-- Angel, "Deep Down," *Angel* Season 4

Submitted by Joel_h on August 19, 2005 - 5:36pm.

rlp,
I have been taking antidepressants for 10 years now. I still have periods of depression where I feel like I'm swirling into an enormous black hole. But most of the time I do OK. Before the medication I couldn't see a way out of the black hole. It just got worse and worse. Now, with the medication, I can think consciously "I'm having an attack" and wait it out. No, that's not entirely true. I go to my mate and we wait it out together. When I'm depressed I have a favorite Psalm. It's Psalm 139 NRSV.

I am praying for you.

Joel

http://thetentmaker.blogspot.com/

jheaton5@comcast.net

Submitted by cmuncey on August 19, 2005 - 5:38pm.

Nothing has been broken that cannot be fixed

Sometimes, when all I can do is hold on tight, I remeber Dororthy Day's creative misquote of Julian of Norwich: The worst has already happened, and has been repaired.

Submitted by The Token Catholic on August 19, 2005 - 7:05pm.

There's another important quote from Julian of Norwich, "All shall be well."

Submitted by biggfish on August 19, 2005 - 5:39pm.

RLP,
I've battled Depression all my life and I understand. I used to be on the little brown pills myself but had to stop taking them for the heart palpitations I got from them. I have done better with managing my Depression, though it is now a part of having MS as well, but sometimes I get those flares of rage like you talked of and I understand that feeling of shame over them.

I find myself running when that happens. I usually go to my bedroom and close the door until I've worked it through. I also find that sometimes when my wife doesn't hear me and raises her voice at me, it sets that off too.. just like with you and Jeanene. It is an anger that flies after the initial sting of hurt.

I am glad for your victory over the Depression and yes I believe there are demons out there too but this one you are whooping, however long it takes and by whatever methods you need. I'm glad to see you're getting your Joy back. It's a contagious thing and I feel it off your posts again too.

Take Care!

C.R.

Submitted by apalumbo on August 19, 2005 - 5:52pm.

I can relate to A LOT of what you've posted about depression, starting medication, and not wanting to take medication. It does get better, but you have to give it time. And don't be surprised by the occasional bump in the road.

Stay the course (did I really just type that?!?) and know that a lot of people are keeping you in their prayers.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 6:03pm.

"I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars."
~Og Mandino

every time i slip into one of my "moods", i try to remember this quote. on the other side of every dark moment, there is light, you just have to fight through the darkness. there's a lesson to be learned by us.

glad you made it back to the light.

Submitted by amanda on August 19, 2005 - 6:05pm.

that was me btw...forgot to login.

Submitted by steelcowboy on August 19, 2005 - 6:28pm.

Gordon, you are on the road, and there will be bumps, no doubt of that. But we have learned, along this journey, that even when the road is rough and the darkness falls, there's always a light shinnin' for us, no?
Always forward my friend. Let not the darkness overshadow the great soul which you have been provided.
Our love and prayers for you.

Submitted by Tim Sean Youmans on August 19, 2005 - 6:32pm.

"What if some graduate school demon has selected me as the subject of his dissertation?”
RLP, I know this essay is some serious shit, but that is the funniest damn thing I have read in weeks.  --Tim in Shawnee, OK

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 8:12pm.

Yeah, worth a guffaw or two. It's like an essay of reality suddenly run over by The Screwtape Letters. "This is bad and this is why and this is what bad happened next and... wait, who invited (an obviously not-quite-dead) C.S. Lewis?" Though I admit, it's entirely possible. In which case you have my prayers, my best wishes, and the knowledge that I'm really glad it's you and not me!

Thank you for that funny moment. Now I feel better.

sovvy

Submitted by The Token Catholic on August 19, 2005 - 7:06pm.

What if modern science is wrong and there really are demons in the world? What if some graduate school demon has selected me as the subject of his dissertation?”


Eh, grad students are easy to get rid of. You publish on their topic first. Or distract them with beer.

Submitted by Gene on August 20, 2005 - 12:15am.

Mmmm...beer...

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 7:12pm.

Thank you for posting this.

I am thankful you have a road out, and look forward to reading about your progress.

I have considered counseling, even medication, for my recurring depression but as my root cause lies in an injust, arrogant and dishonest legal system I have no hope and nothing you bring forward will help. Not all depression is rooted in biochemistry; some of it lies in human nature, and is caused even by those who call themselves (and believe themselves) Christian.

The best *I* can get from medicine is to dull everything in life, the beauty with the pain, to be reduced to a point where I can no longer understanda nd much less enjoy, to pick just two: Tolstoy and Hafiz. So far, I've preferred the pain over dullness. How long I can continue this way, and what happens after, I do not know.

All I ask, Lord, is to be taken home soon, even yesterday. The dreams I've had, to experience Isfahan (even to drink, in Shiraz iself, a glass of true Shirazi), to walk the Via Dolorosa, to.. well.. these are all ultimately but nothing but emptiness, ashes. Why, Lord, am I still here? Lord, I hurt! Lord, I hurt! Lord, I hurt! Where are you?

Don

Submitted by april on August 19, 2005 - 7:52pm.

If you have the right medication, it doesn't dull the pain. It just makes it easier to deal with. Nor does it take away your enjoyment of things, even the bittersweet ones.

If your pain is ongoing, it honestly might help to talk to a doctor, even if it's rooted in something in your life.

Submitted by april on August 19, 2005 - 7:59pm.

If you have the right medication, it doesn't dull the pain. It just makes it easier to deal with. Nor does it take away your enjoyment of things, even the bittersweet ones.

If your pain is ongoing, it honestly might help to talk to a doctor, even if it's rooted in something in your life.

Submitted by rlp on August 19, 2005 - 8:28pm.

Don, This was an anonymous comment, so I can't send you email, but I encourage you to get some help if you really feel like you want to die. Don't trust your feelings on this. Talk to someone. Please. Email me if you need to.

rlp

Submitted by terri c on August 19, 2005 - 9:00pm.

Hey Don, you have done something useful in reminding us that horrific circumstances can't be fixed by medication. However as someone has noted there are meds that do not dull everything out, or at least not in most cases, but help the spirit cope with the injustice and/or adversity. I am sorry it is such hell for you and if it is OK with you I will say prayers that some flicker of hope may be found to sustain you, some response to your lament to God.

Submitted by grendyll on August 19, 2005 - 10:59pm.

Don,
I don't know your full situation, or even if Don is your real name. Know, though, that someone prays for you, prays that you feel God's healing hand on your life. Know that you are loved by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph, that he cares for you more than anything else in this world, and that YOU ARE WORTH IT.

Thanks, Preacher, for having the courage to share this with your "other congregation". May God bless your journey as you bless our lives!

Jim
******
Jer. 29:11

Submitted by OldPoet on August 21, 2005 - 1:09pm.

Nothing helps when nothing helps, Don, so let me write to myself back some years ago when I found myself in a place that sounds something like the place you are in. Just read it. If it helps, I'm glad.
Dear Young Poet,
I see you there. It is dark, but I can see you. Perspective gives me night vision. I know you feel stuck in the mud that sucks at your soul. You feel abandoned. I'd be surprised if you can even hear my voice. You have your hands over your ears and are murmuring, "I don't want to, I duh wat to. I duh wat to." All tucked up there in the fetal position, you feel you are without the womb that should be sheltering you..disconnected from the umbilical to the Life-giving force that created you. It is cold and damp and fetid and I know you sense the monsters that are just beyond your reach.

They circle you and snap at you and speak beguiling phrases to you..."Jusssssssst stopppppppp breeeeeeathinggggg.Lettttt goooooooo.Giiiiiive uuuuuuuuuup!" Mock you..."Is there no one there to help you? Are you alone, little poet?"

But I see you, too, yes, I do. I want you to hold on, little one. It will be hard. You will want to do as the monsters say. It will seem the best way and you will want to, very badly. Hold on. You may not hear me very well, and you may not see me, but I AM HERE. I am the OldPoet you will be one day. You would not believe me if I described you life now. It might be too hard for you to hear right now in your present dilemma. Hold on, tuck yourself up tight, if you need to. Repeat after me "I duh wat to, I duh wat to." There are those who will help you, and they will come, yes, they will. But the secret is, you, little poet, will help you most of all. One day you will stand up and get yourself out of the darkness and and wash off the muck and you will be me. Just hold on. For as long as it takes. You are not as alone as you think. I need you. Just hold on.
OldPoet

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 7:16pm.

I am so thankful that you write, and that you write what you write. A friend from LiveJournal linked to your entry from when you first began the medication, and that's how I came to know your blog.

It was what your doctor said to you that finally helped me overcome my mulishness about medication. At present, I'm on 12.5 Paxil CR. It's been more than two weeks, and it's not working yet, if it will at all.

But I'm doing SOMEthing, and even if this isn't the right one, SOME action is an improvement. I hear you speaking of things that have been happening to me, and I see where you are going now. I feel less alone and more capable of getting control of this.

So, thanks.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 8:06pm.

Yeah, it's like that.

Do what makes sense for you to do.

Submitted by WonderSheep on August 19, 2005 - 8:10pm.

Those aren't crickets, Preacher-man, those are people praying with you!

(This heretical thought brought to you by... mee :-)

______________________
SWS
Ecclesiastes 7:13

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 8:15pm.

rlp, the "crickets" are normal when you clench your teeth. You're not nuts. You probably clench your teeth more than you think. Hang in there...I'll pray for you again tonight

Submitted by Josh on August 19, 2005 - 8:44pm.

Seething darkness falls, or rather erupts, with me at times as well. I can't say it's the same, as I am not you and can only relate through my lens on life.

But I do have the occasional lapse into deep depression when I wonder why. Mine comes as a result of my MS. I have to remind myself that there has always been sunlight at the end of those tunnels. I still don't understand the "why", and have informed God in no uncertain terms that he's "got some 'splaining to do" when I eventually see him face to face.

In the meantime, his spirit paces by my side. I trust in that. I'll trust for you, for what that's worth to you. Peace. Really - Peace.

Submitted by biggfish on August 20, 2005 - 10:45am.

KT,
Having MS I too battle Deep depression sometimes. Sometimes I just burst into tears for no reason at all. It seems that you have strong Faith. That is what gets me through it too.

I have stopped asking Why now though, and the question is now "what lesson is there for me or another in this?"

Submitted by jeremyca on August 19, 2005 - 8:57pm.

 Depression is not something we relapse on, it is something we deal with every day, and I do as well, and those moments of rage come as well, but they pass, and lemme give you another slogan "This too shall pass." Just because you take a pill to make to sun shine brighter, does not mean you should not be vigilant and not pay attention to your moods as they swing and change.Learning to deal with depression takes work and finess when it gets dicey. If you notice the swing coming you can make way for it and possibly avoid it the next time. The buzz in your ears - well that happens, its something we deal with. If you really want something to worry about and make you crazy, I can help you there, you can have any one of my days and all the pills that go with it in exchange for one of your good ones - any time. Taking care of you takes work, everything is 90%mental and 10% medical. No little pill is going to cure what ails you unless you put in the work to deal with the issues that piled up to cause you to start medical treatment. Time to put down the samsonite lugggage and try to pinpoint why you had this outburst and why you did not see it coming! has noone told you this??? Now you have a template of personal information to look back at and see the time that elapsed between the high point and this latest low point. ( YOU are your own BEST doctor!) nobody is going to sit there and monitor you. So Gordon, now that you have seen this happen you can plot the next few days or weeks and report this swing to your doctor who prescribed the meds. Maybe you need a tweak in your medical regimen. Depression medication is hit and miss, I know this because Peter is BI Polar and it took us almost a year to get it right. Have faith, and relax, this little blip on the radar is not the end of the world. we all learn by trial and error. and you are not Jesus, remember !! We are all humans having a spiritual experience.
 see ya jeremy

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 19, 2005 - 9:28pm.

I am not a doctor, tho I have seen them portrayed on television. All seriousness aside...

RLP, like many, (obviously) I feel I know you and can offer you free, unsoliticed advice. I wish I had advice. I wish I had hope to give freely. Hope is a commodity in short supply with me lately and I dole out all I have to my lil family. I cannot presume to know the burden you feel being Preacher. All I want to say is that I like ya. You're a good egg. Someone once told me they thought i was a "good egg" many years ago. His name was John. He was an resident at the facility I worked at in the early 80's. This facility was an out-patient home for mentally retarded men. Sorry that I am not using the politically correct term but retarded just means slow and I in no way mean anyone should think less of those people whose thinking lags behind. They are often more wonderful for the fact they are unable to conceive of a world where simple concern for each other's happiness is not of paramount importance. I believe our concern for one another is our link to God. It's what The Man said, no? Love for you and yours.

Submitted by shadow on August 19, 2005 - 10:00pm.

Thanks for sharing this with us.  I'm praying for you.  It took me two different meds for me to at least see there *might* be small flicker of light somewhere.  I still fight the bleakness every day, but hope eventually things will get better. 
Again, thank you so much for sharing your story, it definately helps others who don't deal with depression to see things a little better.  I have people telling me to "just snap out of it".  They have no idea what we go thru.
 
 

Submitted by Mary Jo on August 19, 2005 - 10:10pm.

I have been there myself. It's scary when you go from feeling fine, to complete chaos inside of your body and mind. When I feel this coming on I start to have panic attacks, and I have trouble breathing. Yikes! Thanks for sharing your story with everyone.

~ Mary Jo

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 24, 2005 - 3:20pm.

Hi Mary Jo--Saw your post and wanted to say hello. We sure do miss seeing you and Bob. We are really enjoying Houston but feel disconnected from everything for the first time. I guess that is apart of growing up.

Is Jennifer still scheduled for release in December? Where will she be going and will you be have a "welcome home" celebration? If so, please include us. I can't wait to see her.

Love you to all!
Janan

Submitted by Keith on August 19, 2005 - 10:26pm.

Being a musician, I have several friends with tinnitus. Two found relief with B vitamins and massage--for them, muscle tension constricting the blood vessels around the ears was the cause, or at least a major exacerbating factor.

If yours gets worse with clenched teeth, maybe the drugs are vasoconstrictors and you'd benefit from a similar course of action.

I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but it worked for my buds.

Submitted by moronikos on August 19, 2005 - 10:42pm.

Yeah, those bad days come sometimes even on the meds.  I make a phone call to someone I can trust when that happens--someone with the same struggle. The other struggle is with that inner freaking fundamentalist who likes to say, "if you just had more faith, you wouldn't need medication.  You're just like a drug addict except yours is legal."  I hate that fucker--he's a know it all who never offers any real help.This sometimes really is a vale of tears.
 

Submitted by textjunkie on August 20, 2005 - 12:32am.

Hey RLP, even those of us who are not depressed have days we want to crawl under the covers and not come out or interact with anyone. Back in college we called it "free floating angst"--no reason, just a bad day. You're free to have them too, pills or no pills. Hopefully you're having a lot fewer of them than you used to (and it sounds like you are!!). I'm glad for your girls that "daddy's back". Wow that's important.

Submitted by David Goldfarb on August 20, 2005 - 1:53am.

You say that you wonder whether your brain chemistry was really unbalanced: Doesn't the very fact that the drugs are helping you tend to prove that?

Yes, you're like an addict in some ways. But there's a big difference between them and you. The addicts' drugs harm them -- make it difficult for them to live in society and love others. Your drugs help you to live in the world, give love to your family, and receive love from them.

Taking joy in your family and your life is good and normal, and anything that helps you do that is not wrong.

Submitted by Kathryn on August 20, 2005 - 4:16am.

Thanks yet again, rlp...As someone who's never walked that road, it is hugely helpful to hear of its twists and turns from a traveller. You know how much your online family values and cares for you, and that we'll all keep on praying...but I wanted to say Yes, Yes, YES to Dylan's post...there is nothing to apologise for or feel uncomfortable about in using anything legal that helps you to be more fully yourself. I also wondered, hearing about the sudden switch from OK to rage and withdrawal, whether my ongoing suspicion that my husband is struggling with depression might indeed be fact. He's still at the "No, everything's fine and I'm neither depressed nor angry" stage...but some of your writing on the subject, in this and other posts, certainly does sound familiar.  Not sure where that gets me in reality, but it feels better somehow...

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 20, 2005 - 4:22am.

good, good news! have you ever read 'let your life speak' by parker palmer? he writes about finding the ground on which it is safe to stand - that helped me so much in dealing with my own emotional baggage.

Submitted by textjunkie on August 24, 2005 - 7:49pm.

I read that recently. It's the kind of book that requires re-reading, and careful mulling, IMHO. It's good stuff.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 20, 2005 - 6:14am.

Does everyone on here take anti-depressants or have mental problems? I would say you need to "take a break" from being a pastor if you can't find the personal resources not to say "fucking pride". That's simply not good for a pastor...

Submitted by Lauren on August 20, 2005 - 6:42am.

Anonymous,
You might notice that the post we're commenting on concerns RLP's open and honest struggle with depression.  It might just make sense, then, for our comments respond to the same.  As far as the "pride comment,"  we're so over that ...  The occasional use of such language by RLP is one minor element of his writing that reveals his "take" on those things that matter in life, in faith, in pursuing a holy life.  Leave it alone or move on.   Lauren

Submitted by Keith on August 20, 2005 - 1:35pm.

How about "holier-than-fuck?" Is that okay?

Submitted by Ariane on August 20, 2005 - 3:39pm.

I think everyone has some form of a "mental problem", and only those who choose to ackowledge it and stop being so self righteous can accomplish anything in life. If you have a problem with this page, you can "take a break" from it. It's simply not good for you.

Submitted by Lauren on August 20, 2005 - 6:34am.

RLP,  I so appreciate your willingness to continue writing about your struggle with depression.  I understand something of the temptation -- when all is well -- to forget or ignore from whence we came.  For many, depression is a part of us that is always there in some form.  Like a virus, it sometimes lies dormant and other times flares up in a moment's rage.  Meds can help in a significant way, yet learning to cooly assess ourselves and manage our rough edges is equally important to "staying the course" and living well -- as well as we possibily can.  May you continue to feel close to Almightly God -- there is no greater joy.
Lauren

Submitted by A Man of the Ta... on August 20, 2005 - 8:46am.

Thanks for sharing you tale with us. I also suffer from Anxiety/depression disorder. Recently, after a year of mixed results, a change of medication has been prescribed. I can only hope this veil lifts soon, for it is interfering in a huge way with my ability to minister to the people of my community. I rarely feel joy, actually anything other than frustration. My wife has already been put on this medication with great results and I can only hope that it will help me also. But until then, I'll be visiting your sight...from the depths of my pit in sheol. Again, thanks for sharing.  
A Man of the Tattered Cloth

Submitted by Pascale Soleil on August 20, 2005 - 9:33am.

I'm suffering through my own recurring passage of darkness at the moment too. Unfortunately, it seems to be lasting a bit longer than a day.

The only good news is that I can see that it results, at least in part, from something of a Perfect Storm of negative circumstances at present.

My drug of choice, running, is unavailable to me right now, and that's making it much harder.

both2and: beyond binary

Submitted by Wandering Willow on August 20, 2005 - 11:18am.

I couple years ago I had a breakthrough realization (of a really basic premise) that made my health struggles fall into a balanced perspective. I'm always trying to fix myself, get my bod healthy and eliminate all my shortcomings as soon as I recognize them.... then it struck me that I'm trying to make myself perfect. Trying to rid myself of all flaws. This world we're in is not about perfection. Maybe that thought may help you too. So you backslide in your moods, or maybe a demon drops in to visit, big deal. Your family is understanding of your imperfections, just as you are understanding of theirs. That's what happens here on earth.

http://blogs.salon.com/0003947
www.wanderingwillowblog.blogspot.com

Submitted by Ariane on August 20, 2005 - 3:35pm.

Preach,
As someone I've looked up to since I was 13, it's so great to be able to relate to you in a way. Although I may be a petty twenty-year-old, shit can happen at any time. I've been diagnosed with OCD, generalzed anxiety, major depression, and bipolarity, and I have no idea what they want to do with me next medically. It's scary. It's scary when you can't control yourself even with the little pills that are supposed to be helping. I take my pills everyday and still fall into little pieces. That's the hardest part: not relying on the pills. The meds have only done so much for me. I spend too much time wishing time would pass faster and not learning lessons very well. And, sometimes I'm just plain mean to people with no reason whatsoever. It may be selfishness, but it's so easy to blame it all on meds. Meds are important, but it's only a third of the whole spectrum. Monitoring your behavior (writing odd behaviors down, for instance or triggers of stress and anger) and a healthy lifestyle are important. You have a wonderful family. You know that. I adore you all. Thank you for not giving up on them and giving me some hope for not giving up on myself.

Submitted by rlp on August 20, 2005 - 7:12pm.

Thanks Ari...[in the voice of comic book guy from simpsons]
 
Best Babysitter EVER!

Submitted by OldPoet on August 21, 2005 - 12:42pm.

As a recent depression relapser and mother of the aforementioned Ariane, I have some perspective on this depression after health thing. OOO, and I so want to "make it better" for us, you, me, Ari, Don, RLP, et al. Folks who never walk in the darkness of depression, (if there is such a one)still have moments where the light dims. They snap at a perfectly lovely wife and feel bad about it. They, if healthy and well-intentioned, think about their actions and mull out what to do about it and do it and get on with the wise-cracking they normally do. You spoke harshly to Jeanene. That was a bad choice (as Ben says). You felt badly about it and the darkness descended. You worry that it may be permanent. That is scary, Heck, yes it is. You apologize and get on with it and wake up happier. Swallow pills, write, drink Diet Cokes, play with kids, life happens. This is life. Medicines puts the breaks on the depression, so that the episodes do not have to turn into the wreck of the century. But you gotta drive man, you gotta get places. You will encounter drunks and the POlice, and slick spots and dangerous curves and you, yes, even you, may scream obsenities and flip off the driver that cuts you off, even if she the beloved of your life. Thank God for brakes. What idiot would drive without them.
OldPoet

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 20, 2005 - 8:29pm.

(muttering, through clenched teeth) "wings like eagles. Wings like bleepin' eagles" Though some days it's enough just to walk and not faint.
You have SO MUCH company, RLP. Thanks for speaking so eloquently.

Submitted by sanityman on August 21, 2005 - 11:55am.

For what it's worth, I felt your choice of words to describe "pride" couldn't have been better. It summed up perfectly all the anger and frustration I feel in the same circumstances.

I suspect I'm sufferering from the same thing: I haven't had the courage to find out. But I can identify with the rage, the shame and the anger, both towards myself and against the blameless.

People tell me that I should learn to accept myself and my imperfections when I talk about this. I don't offer that as advice though, because I have no idea how to do it.

With love and best wishes,

Chris.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 21, 2005 - 8:41pm.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one... in spite of my quadrupled meds, the last couple of days have still found me wanting to sleep around the clock, heart-pounding anxiety-ridden, and snapping at my family.

This, too, shall pass. Right? RIGHT????
--Stacy (see 'Slices of')

Submitted by Cheshire Cat on August 22, 2005 - 6:25am.

Your essay and hte comments have been encouraging to me this morning. I was just this weekend wondering if I needed to get my meds increased. I was rattled when my five-year-old said "You're never happy with me any more. Why don't you ever smile at me?" Later she found some old photographs and said, "See, you used to smile. Why don't you anymore?" I thought I was making progress, but now I'm not so sure. Those random and unexpected bursts of anger you describe--I know those so well. I'll have no idea that I'm falling apart inside until I find myself hissing or screaming at my family. God have mercy on us all.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 22, 2005 - 8:06am.

I'm one of those addicts who was in rehab. However, until recently, I haven't been able to say, "I feel good, and I don’t mind taking drugs if that’s what I have to do to feel this way." That changed this weekend. I had a few horrible days. On top of everything else I stopped taking my medicine. I decided (wrongly) that there was much a couldn't control. I kept saying, "I don't want to be an alcoholic but I am." So I decided that one thing I could control was the taking of my medication. (I take medicine that helps stabilize my mood and allows me to sleep.) I'm not sure what I was trying to prove. What I ended up doing was adding to the tailspin I was already experiencing. Some thing good did come out of it. I now know I need the medicine. At least for this period in my life. I too came to the realization that, "I have to take drugs, and I’m going to keep taking them, though I wish I could find some way to make the damn crickets go away." Well, except for the crickets. I have a head a full of loud, chattering monkeys.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 22, 2005 - 8:56am.

fish oil

That's what my psychiatrist told me to try. "Fish oil?" I asked.

"Yep. There has been a lot of research done. Its safe, good for your heart, and effective at treating depression."

Been on it for a month now. She was right--it is effective. Sounds weird, I know. Trust me on this. Go to Walgreens and start taking 3-4g of fish oil a day.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 22, 2005 - 10:42am.

I, too, am experiencing the little dips and letdowns that make me wonder if these particular meds are really going to be effective (enough) or if I'll have to switch yet again. The key to keeping my perspective has been to remember that it could just be a bad day. People who are not depressed have a bad day or two, but before you know it, it's a new day, and things return to a more even keel. I think that we who are dealing with our depression are much more keenly aware of those ups and downs and become prone to putting too much stock into every little dip. While it's good to keep tabs on where we're at emotionally, it's also very good to remember that the goal is to return to a more "normal" cycle of emotions, low days being part of the package.

At the beginning, I'd have scowled in the face of anyone who tossed me that bit of "encouragement" that I always saw as so trite, simplistic, and ridiculous: "One day at a time!" But I've come to see how reminding myself that "it could just be a bad day (or three)," instead of thinking, "oh god, here it all comes, crashing back down on me, I knew it was too good to last," helps me to keep perspective on the whole thing. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, "See the tree. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed by the whole forest. Just see the tree." :)

Submitted by ndr76 on August 22, 2005 - 10:45am.

Doggone it, I thought I was still logged in when I posted that.... didn't mean to be anonymous. I'll have to learn to check that since it's not obvious without going into "login" to check whether it's still recognizing me...

http://wheretonowgod.blogspot.com

Submitted by Cecilia Genesius on August 22, 2005 - 11:46am.

RLP, I'm on the journey with you. The meds take some getting used to, and not all the days are pleasant. I'm begining to think the bad days are there to remind us the the good days are good. Mine remind me my days don't have to be perfect with the meds. And, that life with a daily pill is better than life with fresh scars and angry fits and clausterphobic breathing. I'm praying for you, preach. Just know many walk this road, many have before and many will follow your footsteps. It is the path less traveled, but it's better than not traveling at all.
Cecilia
"The road to enlightenment is long and difficult, you should try not to forget snacks and magazines." -Anne Lamott

Submitted by Sandykins on August 22, 2005 - 1:50pm.

I see my husband in you. He was on anti-depressents 6 years ago when we met and consequently married. He stopped taking them because of some side-effects and has been on a downward spiral ever since.
Any advice on how I can help him to see that he needs to take medication to get a handle on life again?
/Sandy

Submitted by rlp on August 22, 2005 - 2:51pm.

Sandy, trying to get people to do things like that is often a mistake that backfires. I'm not saying there is NEVER a time when someone might try to get their spouse to change, but it's tricky stuff, and advice from a stranger would probably not be that helpful. Talk to someone who knows the two of you. That's what I would do.

Submitted by Sandykins on August 25, 2005 - 4:25am.

I showed him your blog a while back and I've told him that I think that he needs to go back on the medication. I will leave it at that. I do realize that he needs to figure it out himself. All I can do is continue to pray for him.
I am curious as to what triggered you to seek outside help, though.

Submitted by Bob Smietana on August 22, 2005 - 4:43pm.

Demon seems to be the right word for dealing with depression--it does all the things that a demon should do--steals your joy and blinds your vision, and whispers in your ear that you'd be better off sitting in your office with pop tarts or internet porn or booze or whatever it is that makes the demon go away

Or that your spouse and children would be better off if you just went away forever and never came back, and they could replace you with someone saner.

Been reminding my darling wife that the demons lie for some time.

Submitted by Anonymous User on August 25, 2005 - 5:10pm.

The movie, "Prozac Nation," had some interesting insights into depression. A good quote from Earnest Hemingway from the movie: "Depression comes gradually, and then suddenly."

Stop by and see me:

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Submitted by rlp on August 26, 2005 - 6:24am.

Wow, the Hemmingway quote is right on the money for me. Slowly over the last few years, then a sudden onslaught when I began writing HARD. RLP has been like working out in a gym. 200 essays in 2.5 years. Plus the other stuff.

Submitted by sodacoaster on August 27, 2005 - 11:59am.

VNS Therapy.

Have you heard of it? It's offering hope to millions who are unresponsive to three or more medications. Go to www.vnstherapy.com if you want info...they sent me a really cool dvd. My husband is on his first med., and had anger like you, RLP. He'd spill coffee on his shirt, two little drops, and his face would get bright red with anger.

Anyway, he's getting up there on his first med, 185mg, and i'm thinking he might need to try a new one so he can get better sleep. It's causing him to dream and act out in his sleep.

RLP, do you exercise? I can't believe the difference it makes in my everyday anxiety levels. It's the best antidep. around. I understand that people still need their meds...i'm just trying to deal with depression fallout. I wish i could talk with your wife about how she does deal with it.

Take care,
Sodacoaster

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 18, 2005 - 12:33pm.

To Whom It May Concern:

I would like to take a moment to share a non-commercial proactive advocacy website and message forum for those patients and their support person’s interested in sharing experiences and knowledge as it relates to the VNS Therapy for TRD (Treatment Resistant Depression).

The website is: VNSdepression.com

The link to the site is: http://www.vnsdepression.com

By way of additional information my spouse was one of the earliest study participants in the VNS D-01 study for depression. As with all my sharing of experiences and knowledge I do encourage all to be educated and to make informed and un-coerced medical decisions in collaboration with one’s trusted, caring and compassionate, knowledgeable and licensed health care practitioner(s).

Although the VNS Therapy for Depression is recently approved for Depression the biggest obstacle now facing prospective patients is to know whether or not their respective health care insurance companies will pay for the procedures and follow up care. This is going to take time and is currently being handled by Cyberonics Case Managers on a case by case basis. I also inform patients and/or their support people to contact their local legislators and/or the media to put pressure on the payers if at first they are denied. I learned this from the Epilepsy Community who shared their valuable experiences with me relating to the VNS Therapy for their illness.

I also would like to extend a hello to Jerry and I do hope you are doing well. As with all treatments, there is no way of knowing who will or will not respond to any given therapy. Unfortunately, it is what I refer to as the “Trial and Error Approach to Wellness.” I can only encourage those that are challenged by their illness to not give up hope and to keep trying. As a very long-time support person to my spouse, the VNS Therapy has been nothing short of remarkable for her and others that I have collaborated with for some 6 years.

I thank you for the opportunity to share with you folks on this forum and to answer specific questions from our experiences and knowledge on our website and forum.

Lastly, I wish all the good that you would wish for yourselves.

Warmly,
Herb
VNSdepression.com

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Submitted by Anonymous User on August 27, 2005 - 6:56pm.

I just wandered over here but I like your stuff. I suffer from depression, too and I've been down the same road. Hang in there!

Submitted by see through faith on September 21, 2005 - 12:42pm.

Hi

think I've been asleep for a month (I wish!) - only just found this. But the timing was God's. Had a terrible few days recently and your writing is full of courage to look in the mirror and say yeah I am depressed and yeah I need help. thank you for this.

be blessed

Submitted by practitioner45 on October 30, 2005 - 10:18am.

CM I'm a little late in reading this essay but still want to add my 2 cents. Depression may have many causes and manifestations. Too often we hear as Christians, that the problem is in us. Do we tell diabetics that it is their fault  their pancreas dosn't secrete insulin? Depression just like hypothyroidism or diabetes, is a chemical imbalance in the brain-an ORGAN - like the pancreas. Why do we accept that the fault lies within us? Often times, the exact chemical balance requires  a trial and error approach. I urge you to talk to your health care provider if you begin to have recurrent symptoms of depression.  I know, I'm a health care provider and take medication for depression. Often something as obscure as not taking the meds at the same time each day to maintain a "steady state" or steady blood level can make a  difference. But, you may need a different class of med altogether.  Different classes of antidepressants work differently.  But-my main concern is that we stop telling ourselves that depression is "all in your head"-well in a way it is! 

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 26, 2007 - 5:17pm.

My ten year old son is bipolar and adhd. He has been on medication since age 4. After several doctors and hospitals; and 19 different medications later he is still uncontrollable. WBR LeoP