Thoughts on Depression After Five Months of Medication

November 5, 2005 - 6:44pm

I recently finished my fifth month taking medication for anxiety and depression. I wrote about this a few times during the first month, but after that I’ve avoided the topic for a couple of reasons. First, I didn’t want this to become Real Live Preacher’s depression journal. Second, what do I know about depression this early in the game? It’s not like I’m an expert or anything.

But I would like to revisit the topic at this time and share some beginner’s insights gained from five months of a new perspective.

You see, I never knew that I was depressed. With no perspective other than my own, how could I know what I should be feeling in a given situation? I just thought I was a moody, sometimes lazy, selfish guy who moped a lot. I always managed to find the energy I needed to smile at church and get my work done, but I had no energy to put on the same act for my family. I was pleasant enough at church or if you met me in the supermarket, but at home I was a morose, withdrawn, shadow person.

I figure I lost about a year of my children’s lives. I’m choosing not to dwell on that. What’s done is done. My children still love me, and I love them. My lack of presence has also been hard on my marriage, but Jeanene and I are committed to each other, and we’re working on that as well.

What I have gained over the last five months is a benchmark for my own feelings. I have an idea about how I should feel. I know what my low point is, and I know what my high point is. I have some understanding of how much anxiety and worry a person ought to experience when small problems present themselves. I know what a small amount of stress feels like. It tickles my mind and gets my attention, but it doesn’t cause me to have an anxiety attack and eat, say, an entire box of Poptarts at midnight.

I feel stress and sadness, of course, but they don’t turn into panicked, paranoid delusions. I don’t collapse into despair on Sunday evening because someone frowned during the sermon.

It’s funny, I used to wonder what the deal was with all these depressed people. (I was wondering this right in the middle of my own depression, but let’s talk about denial some other time.) I would wonder why sadness would stop them from carrying on with their daily work. So you’re sad. So what! Just get up off your lazy ass and get some work done. Feed your kids, help with the dishes, go to bed and get up in the morning and do it again. After all, I was managing to get my work done in spite of how I felt. I managed to do that for two and a half years. I managed to keep doing my work even during the last year, when I don’t think I rejoiced or celebrated anything at all. What a joyless, grey existence I had.

So for all of you who wonder why depression stops people from living, I have an answer for you. I have a way for you to think about this so that you can understand it. Here it is:

When it comes to depression, there are no heroes.

Imagine how you feel when something terribly sad happens to you. And think about the anxiety and tingly panic you feel when something you dread is about to happen, and you know you must face it head on. It feels like butterflies in your stomach. Put those two together and imagine that you feel that every day. You have no idea why, but every day you experience both of those feelings to varying degrees.

How long could you keep your happy act going? A week? Two weeks? What if you were a person of deep, moral strength and determination? What if, by some heroic effort, you managed to ignore your feelings and carry on with your life for an entire year before you snapped?

And you will snap. Trust me on this. The day will come when your act falls apart like a house of cards. Your true feelings will come out, and they will come out in crazy ways. The longer you hold them inside, the crazier they are when they finally get out.

Okay, this is the important part. This is why there are no heroes with depression. On the day you snap, you are just a guy who snapped. You get no credit for the weeks or months or years that you were being heroic. No one knew that you were holding all that inside. Sorry buddy, there are no bonus points for being a hero. When you snap and start yelling at your kids for no good reason, you are just a guy who yells at his kids for no good reason.

Of course, you don’t want to be a guy who yells at his kids, so you start avoiding them and everyone else if you can get away with it. You begin to isolate yourself. By the time you get home from a long day of pretending that you care about things, you don’t want to talk to anyone.

Your whole life becomes centered around trying not to feel bad. You will do whatever it takes to get a little relief from despair, anxiety, self-loathing, and all the other horrible things you feel. Hell yes, you’ll do it. You’ll do anything to feel a little better or at least to feel nothing at all.

For me, the only way to stop feeling bad was to lose myself in a movie, or a book, or the computer. So I spent less and less time with my wife and children. I was home, but I really wasn’t home. I knew that they needed me, but I was willing to sacrifice my long-term happiness for short-term relief.

It’s rather like going into debt. Once you are on the way down, why not use the credit card a few more times to give yourself some momentary pleasure. I mean, if you owe $15,000, what’s another hundred bucks?

I managed to avoid falling apart for several years. And then came Real Live Preacher. Writing was the best drug I had ever found. Better than food or movies. Better than a night alone where no one could find me. With writing I could do more than escape. I could feel the joy that I was missing in real life. Perhaps Real Live Preacher was the only place where I felt safe enough to be the real live me.

At the same time, Real Live Preacher was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The rigorous and emotional work of writing finally brought me to the moment of crisis, the moment when I finally broke. Insomnia, migraine headaches, and a facial tick that still plagues me finally convinced me to go to the doctor.

Real Live Preacher was born of my depression, you might say. And sometimes I wonder what the future will bring. I can already tell a difference. I’m not driven by desperation anymore. Writing is becoming a craft that I embrace, instead of an escape that I feed with energy that should be going to my family and friends.

So when someone you know finally caves in and falls apart, remember that you have no idea how long this person carried his secret burden. And I don’t care who you are. You cannot carry unending sorrow and burning anxiety forever.

No one is that strong. And no one can be that heroic.

gordon

Submitted by Pascale Soleil on November 5, 2005 - 7:40pm.

The more you succeed in making things look okay, the more difficult it is to admit when things are so very NOT okay.
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It took me forever to see a doctor. It took me forever (and I'm still working on it) to develop and sustain the lifestyle habits that keep me from repeating the cycle.
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I still beat myself up, from time to time, for what I still think of as my weaknesses.
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It would be useful if I would also beat myself up occasionally for clinging to the 'strengths' that prevent me from being really well.
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both2and: beyond binary

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 5, 2005 - 7:40pm.

Gordon -
Honesty is sometimes the first casualty of depression. You answer 'fine, just fine' when you or things really AREN'T. So first off, thanks for YOUR honesty. I don't know if I am currently depressed because I've not been to anyone to check it. Part of me suspects I am, even being in one of the best situations (all things considered) that I've been in in my entire life.

God, I hate it when I yell at my kids for no good reason. They're KIDS, for God's sake!

Thanks for your words. I need the perspective. And that heroism stuff really sucks if no one is aware ...

Submitted by wondering04 on November 5, 2005 - 7:49pm.

Thank you. Having lived in depression for years, and I think right now am dealing with depression, I am grateful for what you shared.
Heather

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 5, 2005 - 8:19pm.

I'm glad you found a way through, Preacher. And remember that this site, your writing, your perspective, serve a purpose far bigger than you even imagined, and provide a community and a way back towards something sacred and precious that many of us thought we'd have to leave behind if we wanted to become thinking human beings.

I haven't written in a long time, but I have kept reading all along and feel this is one place I can feel less alone in my struggles to have a living breathing faith and retain a shred of hope against all that's terrible in the world. So many benefit from your journey. That's Romans chapter 6 for you!

I pray your family will continue to heal and strengthen from what they went through as you figured this out. And again, thank you for sharing so candidly with us. That courage and trust is no small thing.

Love & blessings from Colorado,
Janine

Submitted by Joel_h on November 5, 2005 - 8:36pm.

Gordon,
I read your description of your depression and all the pain, the struggle, the denial all seems too familiar. I have been diagnosed with depression for over ten years. I have been on medication for all of those ten years. I can tell you that some days are good days and some days are not so good. I wish I could offer a quick way out of the dumps, but there isn't any. When I am having a bad day, I'm having a bad day. Thankfully they don't come very often.
I'm 60 now, but looking back on my life I see that the symptoms of depression go all the way back into my teen years.
Thank you for your honesty. And thank you for Real Live Preacher.

Joel

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 5, 2005 - 8:46pm.

I was wondering what caused you to finally get help?

Submitted by rlp on November 5, 2005 - 9:26pm.

Well, I started having some physical symptoms. 1 - migraine headaches. 2 - Irritable bowel syndrome. (let's just leave it at that, okay?) 3 - I went months without making through the night without waking up. January to May of this year I never ONCE slept through the night. I would wake up at 4 or 5 in the morning filled with anxiety and unable to get back to sleep. 4 - I developed a facial tick, the obsessive need to blink very hard. Along with these, my continued withdrawal from my family was having detrimental effects that I could no longer deny.
 
I went to the doctor for the physical stuff. He told me that neurotransmitter deficiency syndrome brought depression but also a number of physical symptoms, namely all the ones I was having. I opted to try medication because I trust my doctor. But only when I started feeling better was I willing to admit that I had been depressed.
 
There are some links at the top of the essay to four things I wrote during the time when I was just getting on the medication. The first of the four deals with my initial decision to get help.

Submitted by Jonas on November 5, 2005 - 9:26pm.

Wow, this sounds an awful lot like me. It's almost scary. It also reminds me of how my father acted. Work was his drug. It was his way of hiding and not dealing with things. So he worked all the time, claiming it was to "give us a good life," when in reality, my family knew the truth: He couldn't handle being a husband or father, he hated his life (as he often told us), and working all the time was his only way to escape. And when he came home, he just hid in front of the TV. Now I see how that's passed on to me..

But at the same time, I fight this thing. I fight it with every ounce of strength I have. I take my meds, I go therapy for my PTSD, I go out with my friends even when I don't want to just to try and help myself. I just hope I am able to get to the point you're at and can finally feel better about myself. I've known for a long time, that if I don't, it will be just like you say. No will remember me as "the hero" that fought the demon inside himself and lost, they'll only remember the monster that remained. And I don't want that. For myself or for those close to me. I refuse to end up like those who helped put me here in the first place.

Submitted by rlp on November 5, 2005 - 9:36pm.

Jonas, I like the way you wrote that: "No one will remember me as the hero who fought the demon and lost. They will remember the monster that remained."
 
Yeah, that's the thing that caused me to quit trying to fight this alone. I'm still trying to be strong and fight, but I'm doing it with a little help.
 
God bless you in the struggle.

Submitted by Jonas on November 5, 2005 - 10:24pm.

Thank you, Preacher. I appreciate that.In regards to that, there is one quote I try to remember that goes like this:

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."It reminds me to try and not think too much. Sometimes I spend so much time engaging my inner demons that I don't realize how giving them that much priority just feeds their presence in my life.It's definitely important to get as much help as is necessary, but it's also good to remember that we're only human. I sometimes forget that and try to be more perfect than is possible for an imperfect being.

Submitted by BPeace on February 14, 2006 - 9:07am.

I have fought this for a long time, insisting that giving in is a sign of weakness. Your statements coupled with those of RLP have definitely altered my views on this. Many thanks to you both.

Submitted by notarev on November 5, 2005 - 9:42pm.

thanks for sharing your journey, gordon. i've thought i might have depression for some time, but i never thought i had "real" symptoms of depression. i have just come through a week of extreme fatigue and lethargy that i can't attribute to any other cause. it scared me, my wife and my friends enough for me to schedule an appointment with the doc. i feel better today, but i think i just skirted the abyss. i'm going to have a physical, and talk about the symptoms i've had for probably 15 years...your honesty sharing your story helps me to share mine. thanx.
lee

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 5, 2005 - 10:22pm.

Dear Gordon:
I know exactly how this feels. Thank you and keep writing from the heart- your honesty affects me and so many others. It is not coincidence I found the courage to finally seek help for my own anxiety/depression a few weeks after reading your parts 1-3. Thank you for this followup, and keep writing. Please.

Submitted by shadow on November 5, 2005 - 10:42pm.

I was just wondering this past week how you were doing with your depression.  Thanks for updating us...
This post is so incredible.  You describe some of the feelings so accurately and use just the right comparisons so that those who don't deal with depression might have just an insight to what it feels like.  I wish I could send this to my mom; maybe, just maybe (but in reality, probably not) she would have just an inkling to what I live each and every day. 
I have this feeling of doom, despair and darkness every day, but yet in front of my family I have to put on the "mask", the one with the happy face.  It feels as if I am leading two different lives.  My mother doesn't believe in medication for depression, it's just  I should just snap out of.  But what she doesn't realize is that without my meds, I would not be here today, and even now there's no guarantee.   

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 5, 2005 - 11:10pm.

Very timely for me, Preacher. I have an appointment on Monday with a psychiatrist to discuss going back on antidepressants. I took antidepressants for almost two years several years ago, when I found myself in a severe depression. I came out of that, changed many things about my life, and tried to ignore the low-level chronic depression that has been a part of my life for decades. I told myself that I wasn't depressed, because I had seen what depressed was, and this wasn't that bad. But after a couple of panic attacks, I went to see a therapist about a year ago, and after a year of hard work with her, we've mutually agreed that I need more help. I'm both hopeful that life will be easier on the meds, and a little afraid that I don't even know who I am without depression. Maybe I'm not the lazy, selfish, ungrateful person I'm always beating myself up about.

Submitted by jeremyca on November 6, 2005 - 12:04am.

The "path to wellness" is a lifetime job. And you know I care and because I understand totally. Personal insight continues throughout the months and years. It never goes away, and like (my situation) becomes manageable. That manageability is only effective as long as you are communicating with someone about your progress. Looking in the hindsight mirror is ok, and also, it is the careful observation of another who can tell us what they have seen, witnessed and observed. I still have a therapist I see and talk to weekly.
I know this for experience with my husbands Bi-Polar diagnosis and eventual correct treatment. It took a YEAR to get the meds right, and I myself have been on many anti-depressant medication over the last 12 years.What I can tell you is this, it is what we (DO) with our lives in active work either writing, working, schooling, exercise, walking, (insert activity here) in addition to medication and the conscious "attentiveness" we pay to our conditions that prove to work best. We can pop all the pills we want to get better, but unless we add to that the action of "doing" to get better, the pills will not help us. Learning to manage a disease, depression etc... is a long term project. Lesser men have failed and died in this process. ( Oh, i'm cured and lets get on with life!) Wrong!
That is why writing is so "therapeutic" because we have this written journal over long periods of time that we can use to "log" our lives for future "peaks and valleys" the true test will come when the chips really fall - and you have to survive with all that you have "banked" in experience.  Marking time is important in recovery terms. And there may come a time when a certain drug has run its course and the doc says its time to make a change, and you have to readjust. That happened several time for myself and for Peter, if you can imagine how many drugs it takes to manage bi-polar on a daily basis (correctly). I tell you truthfully, it is all about the journey. So keep writing and keep praying and keep doing what you are doing. Because I think I can speak for the multitudes who follow you, that we all love and care for you and your family.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 6, 2005 - 12:39am.

He he, I find it funy that you are a christian and yet you say, "no one is that strong, and no one can be that heroic". Don't you think Jesus must have had some serious anxiety?

I identify with your depression, but I have to say I would not want to medicate it away. I feel that on a comsic level my own existence and it's progress is essential, and I wouldn't want to perturb it.

Submitted by Sugar on November 6, 2005 - 7:20am.

Depression can be about something or someone that frustrates you so much so that you begin to feel powerless and begin to withdraw. Thats when depression controls you.  Thats why your analogy that with depression there are no heros makes sense. Other than that, there is chemical depression (caused by chemical imbalance) that really has nothing to do with the aforementioned.  

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 16, 2005 - 11:11am.

You have NOT been depressed like some of us then.
Its easy to say that we don't need meds but until you've been there - you REALLY don't know what its like.
I would be dead by some means if not for meds.
And I still feel bad for taking them, but I NEED them.
I don't know why but I do.

I'm a strong christian and I still can't deal with it.
I just pray that people don't tell a depressed person to just deal with it and you don't need meds. That's the last thing one needs to here.

You may not understand?
Mark

Submitted by Janna H on November 16, 2005 - 11:23pm.

To add to the other points:I have ADHD.  I take dexedrine twice a day to manage my symptoms.  Life is much, much easier when I take them than when I don't: not only am I able to function more like other people, I'm less likely to have a complete nervous breakdown when things get a little nuts (lessened symptoms of ADHD=lower anxiety levels).When I went to my doctor after being diagnosed, his reaction was, basically, one of disbelief.  I've got two undergrad degrees, after all - how could I possibly have managed that kind of success if I had ADHD?  This view completely ignores the fact that I hadn't been able to find or hold any kind of steady employment after university, and my grades went down steadily in high school and university.  It also doesn't take into account how poor my social skills were right from the beginning of my school career (ie, Kindergarten).Medication can be (and often is) a Godsend, for many people.  It doesn't cure the disorder, and it in no way makes the disorder go away - the brain still functions differently from other people's brains.  But it lessens the symptoms and makes them easier to cope with.I'm curious as to what you mean by "on a cosmic level my own existence and its progress is essential".  I do not really see the connection between this and the decision against medication.  I suppose it's a perspective thing - if you believe you were created to be depressed, then taking medication to counteract that would be against God's plan, right?  I definitely disagree with that.  I was obviously created to have ADHD.  And I wouldn't want to be "healed", because then I wouldn't be me anymore - my brain is structured differently from other people's brains, and that makes me think differently (a big part of identity).  Medication doesn't change my brain structure, and it doesn't change my thought patterns, it just changes my ability to focus on what I WANT to focus on (instead of changing focus all the time).  I equate it to someone like my cousin, who has Type I diabetes and has had since he was an infant: taking insulin every day in no way makes him NOT diabetic, but it manages his condition so that he is able to function - and he was definitely created to be diabetic.I will stop now.-Janna
Mover, Maker, Changer, unbreak me once again. Beautify me... I want to be fully Yours. - JH 2005
Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfalls; all of Your waves and breakers have swept over me. - Psalm 42:7

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 6, 2005 - 9:01am.

This sounds like my dear husband of 30 years, I have always thought he was just shy and high strung. I marked it down as personality, being introverted. Gloria

Submitted by see through faith on November 6, 2005 - 10:06am.

Bless you for your honesty. Many of us have demons like this in our own life, especially clergy. Your honestly has helped me to face up to the realities in my own life, that I cannot be a hero forever, and that I do clinically suffer from the lack of light here in the winter.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 6, 2005 - 1:09pm.

"You get no credit for the weeks or months or years that you were being heroic." RLP, I read this line and cried. This is a truth about depression that resonates too true with depression survivors, but I didn't even know to put this into words until I read this line just now. It's even worse when the people that surround you are emotionally damaged and look to you to be their anchor of sanity and will vehemently accept no less. I'll bet you've possibly experienced that. ;) Thank you for this essay. PS - Looking forward to the downloadable version of the Christmas Story.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 6, 2005 - 2:41pm.

That is the line that got me as well. That is *huge*! Thank you for blessing us with it.

Submitted by Lisa on November 6, 2005 - 6:39pm.

So true, rlp. For most of my adult life, I thought everyone had that fizzy 7-up feeling in their stomach. Imagine my surprise (and delight) when I found out that wasn't so!

I commend to your readers the Burns Depression Checklist as a tool for diagnosing and monitoring depression. It is the tool my doctor used with me. For me, the other invaluable part of my recovery and continuing health was finding and working with a good counsellor. Much of depression is biological; much is also situational.

I'm glad you chose to update us. Thanks.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 6, 2005 - 8:35pm.

Gordon, it sounds almost as if you are learning compassion for a whole new group of people. And I think it is wonderful!

My question, though, is why do we have tosuffer to learn compassion? That part of it sucks, if you ask me. But then again, what do I know?

Good hope to you and your family.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 3:36am.

Very clear, coherent... I appreciate this... I am dysthymic (constant mild depression), likely a result of having undiagnosed ADHD. I also have OCD tendencies and have problems dealing with anxiety (to the point that I might have developed a proper anxiety disorder without treatment for my ADHD). Finally diagnosed with ADHD this past February, and the change since August, when we found the right medication for me - phenomenal.

My father is an Anglican priest, and my brother was just ordained one on Tuesday. I know I am not called to ordained ministry, but I am in the midst of discerning my own vocational call. God has something for me, as He has for each of my three brothers; the one who was ordained just happened to land in his place first.

My blog - about all of this seeking and discerning and what-have-you - is at http://hermiting.blogspot.com.

Back to the topic of falling apart, and there are no heroes...

There really aren't any heroes. Not in depression, not in "disorder". There are just people, who somehow manage to muddle their way through the mess of life to where they find themselves on the other side. That I survived my suicidal moments does not make me a hero any more than that I *had* suicidal moments makes me weak. Rather, my inability to follow through on the desire to just have it be over and done with felt more like a character flaw - I just wasn't strong enough to inflict pain & suffering on myself - than strength.

And when we fall to pieces, we do our best to fall apart privately, silently, or (at the very least) internally. Nobody must see that we are weak, for we were bred to be strong, to have strength, to withstand the storms of this life. I have been broken more times than I care to count, and each time I have been put back together again with more care than I feel I deserve. God must have a reason for wasting His time on the likes of me, so I seek that reason each day of my life.

The frightening part is when, as you say, there is no way to hide the brokenness - no way to keep the implosion from affecting those around you. Anxiety, at its worst, is impossible to contain. On the wrong stimulant medication, my anxiety is mildly elevated when I am coming off the dose at the end of the day. On too high a dose of the wrong stimulant medication, I cannot control my own emotions at any time during the day. I throw public temper tantrums, cry for "no reason", and wish to goodness that I *could* kill myself (and just have it be over). Knowing that it's the meds causing the emotional roller coaster doesn't make it easier to deal with, any more than knowing that I'm disorganized because my brain functions differently than other people's brains do makes it easier to find things when I've buried them in a pile or a box (which is merely a contained pile).

But there is beauty in that which we battle each day, and when we are able to see that beauty and embrace it instead of rail against it, then we will be closer to finding our selves within, and closer to becoming that which we were meant to be.

One's true self is found in both the limitations and potentials that cause such grief and joy.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 9:21am.

Thanks for writing. Just so you know, it was your first depression admissions that gave me the will to ask my doctor for medication also. Have gone in and out of depression since childhood but never admitted it to anyone. At the doctor's office I wasn't sure I was going to be able to pull it off. Thought I might throw up! Boy, that seems silly now. So I've been on med since June. Took awhile and a couple of dosage changes to kick in but now I'm feeling the same difference you write about.

So we're a community, albeit a strange and shadowy one... but community is community... we touch each other's lives, and that is good.
Pup

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 9:25am.

Amen.

Submitted by rlp on November 7, 2005 - 9:46am.

Thanks Pup! Agreed. community happens where it happens. This was not planned, but I enjoy this online community all the more for that reason.

Submitted by atticus on November 7, 2005 - 10:27am.

to the 3:36 a.m. anonymous user, i think it is society's myth that not going thru with a suicide attempt is a sign of weakness..then that myth moves on to the idea of attention-seeking...skipping al l the myths, the feeling of wanting to end it all is very real in someone who is depressed, but sometimes it is just a feeling to get away from it all; i have found if i separate those 2 out, it is easier to discern risk ...Also, i think as humans we are all very strong--and smart--to create imaginative ways to circumvent the deep, deep abyss that depression brings us. (and thinking about the escape is one of these ways)Kay Jamison wrote an excellent book: Night Falls Fast, on this much quieted topic--of suicide--you need to be in a safe place(in your head) to read it--she is a prof of psych at Johns Hopkins U. and has a very personal interest in the topic and dispells many of the myths with facts/data...she articulates well the many gifts that depression and bipolar patients offer to the world....it is the rage inside that, like you said, can be so beautiful at other times. how hard it is living--but you sound very strong. prayers to you
 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 1:42pm.

I think that it is more an internal feeling, that sense that one is weak if unable to follow through with the desire to suicide. It is one of the ways in which we deceive ourselves when we are in that state. I also think that it takes as much strength to continue living as it does to actually kill oneself.

It is not necessary to be depressed to be suicidal. People are more likely to kill themselves when they are NOT depressed, because acting on impulses is easier when it doesn't take every ounce of will and energy just to open your eyes in the morning.

It is in depression, in deep need, that we find God - that He finds us. But we have to be willing to open ourselves up to that possibility of connection, in a time when we are ourselves feeling cut off from everything - including (especially) ourselves.

-- the 3:36am anon.

Submitted by id est on November 7, 2005 - 10:48am.

Seems like this is the first time you've signed a posting "gordon," rather than rlp.  Why?

Submitted by rlp on November 7, 2005 - 11:06am.

That's something I used to do at my old blog. It signals the fact that I'm stepping out of my rlp persona. I don't TRY to make real live preacher a persona, but "he" is a character in that I select what parts of my life to write about.
 
It really doens't make any sense, now that I think about it. I just signed it without much thought.

Submitted by dkmissy on November 7, 2005 - 12:25pm.

learning to cope.
like you for a long time i thought i was just tired and moody becuase of my hectic lifestyle of working full time and being a full time grad student. but when my cousin passed away in April everything just fell apart. i was finally broken and could not handle the amount of energy i spent pretending to be happy when around people and crying alone when i am home at night. i have learnt a lot about myself since i went to seek help and being on the medication for the last three months has helped too. The main thing is that i am not aware of myself when i try to go back to my old ways of being withdrawn . my worst was when i would get panick attacks and those have also stopped.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 12:32pm.

Wow that is really how I felt too. I think the reason it takes so long to get help is because we feel it so gradually we really dont notice it until it gets really bad. Kind of like the frog in the pot of boiling water. I fought it for a long time too and I thought only people who couldnt deal with life had depression and that they were sissies and needed to suck up and deal with it. But I couldnt suck it up so I got some help. And taking medicine makes me not want to rip my kids head off everytime something little happens and if that is what it takes to function, then give me my medicine. And there are people who think that christians cant be depressed but thats not true. God created our minds and he created doctors and medicine. If we werent supposed to be depressed, we couldnt be, say, diabetic or ashmatic either.
Gosh, I think I just got off on a tangent!!

Submitted by shadow on November 7, 2005 - 12:43pm.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about God and medicine.  My mom takes medicine for health reasons, but yet it's not right that I take medicine for depression.  If a little pill is going to help keep me alive, I would think that would be a good thing.... and maybe I will be on these pills for life, but maybe I won't.  Either way, it's helping me to get thru some traumatic stuff, so I'm going to keep taking them. 

Submitted by Althaea Officinalis on November 7, 2005 - 1:07pm.

Hi Gordon,

I haven't been around for a while. I have dropped in to read and catch up periodically, but I go through phases where I feel like I have nothing interesting and/or useful to add, so I don't. I've lost friends over that. It doesn't seem to make me change, though.

I wish you'd never had occasion to understand what depression feels like from the inside. I can sympathize with being right in the middle of it and not realizing what was happening. I still do that, and I should have enough practice to know better. I'm glad that things are lifting for you, that meds are working and the side effects aren't intolerable. That's a huge blessing, right there. Most of all, I'm just glad you're you, and that you share yourself with us as you are able.

Missing time in your kids' lives...yeah, my husband missed probably 3 years of his daughters' lives to depression. Know what? You'd never know it now. They call for Daddy just as much as Mommy now, and they have a very deep relationship once again. It'll be the same for you, I'm sure of it. Forward march. Not to dwell.

Bestest wishes for you all,

~Melanie

Submitted by rlp on November 7, 2005 - 3:04pm.

Melanie, How wonderful to hear from you again. It's like the old days. ;-) O still love getting your soap every month, still miss your writing, will write about your soap when you are ready.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 7, 2006 - 1:00pm.

It took me five tries to find my comment in this jumble of comments, and to see that you replied. :) I finally have the Radio software fixed, but I solemnly swear that if it ever breaks again, that's it. Life is just too short. I'm amazed that your writing fire continues to burn so beautifully. It's like watching you walk along an endless desert road, occasionally stopping and picking up rocks only to see the jewels glowing inside of them. And then you show it to us. Magical. Want to hear something truly weird? I'm in a spirituality covenant group at church these days. Guess what we're reading. Go ahead, guess.

Love, Melanie

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 2:15pm.

Thank you for your honesty in dealing with your
depression. I totally relate having dealt with
this monster for years and years. I got off my
meds because well meaning christians implied that
a christian should'nt need medication for depression
so I have spent the last 5 years limping through life.
I am now feeling better again after coming to my
senses and going back on the meds 2 months ago.
It is no easy battle, and only those who have walked
in it can truly understand. God bless you.
From Nancy in San Antonio...go spurs go......

Submitted by Wandering Willow on November 7, 2005 - 2:15pm.

As much as I benefit from hearing you describe your journey through depression, I'm equally impressed with the results of your sharing it with us. People just open up, themselves, when someone bares their soul. You've started a little tidal wave in a lot of peoples' lives. They open up a little in the comments, and then maybe feel a little more open and free in the rest of their life. Cleaning out the dark corners of supposed "weakness" and denial is such a beneficial thing, for the one who does it, and for those who observe and get inspired to do the same.

http://blogs.salon.com/0003947
www.wanderingwillowblog.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 2:33pm.

When you say nobody can be that heroic...
I think "Jesus" and smirk to myself.
I suppose it comes donw the that fact that only God is perfect.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 8:35am.

this is the second time somebody has made this remark and I find myself compelled to reply. The Gospels are full of Jesus feeling deeply 'in his bowels' for the people he encounters. At Gethsemane he is deeply grieved even unto death. I don't know where we get this notion of a 'Braveheart' Jesus who is detached and so triumphant that human pain, misery, and depression are qualities that he is above. Reading the gospels that is so quite clearly NOT the case and I think it is an idea that contributes to the very harmful advice that comes from Christian circles that believers who are depressed somehow shouldn't take their meds because all they need is Jesus.
If anything the cry of deraliction on the cross, the forsakenness of that moment tells me that Jesus knows in a very real way the pain of abandonment that plagues people with depression.

Submitted by mattman on November 8, 2005 - 8:38am.

the above is mine, wasn't logged in.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 11:14am.

Jesus was, indeed, human - particularly in the moments leading up to His death, we are drawn a picture of a deeply human moment in His life. "I don't want to do this, this really sucks, but I guess if there's nothing else for it... I will do as You say." He must have known that disconnect was coming - how could He not?

I do not believe that heroes are those who have no feeling, however. The greatest heroes do as they must because there's nothing else they can do. Mother Teresa was a hero, and she had great depth of feeling for the people she ministered to in Calcutta. The Bible is full of people we consider to be heroes, from King David to Queen Esther, to Paul. All of them had great depth of feeling for the people they served, and all were intensely loyal to their God.

Humanity, I think, requires heroes. Without the hero myth (by which I mean the myth of "hero" that is exemplified so perfectly in Greek mythology) we would have nothing to aspire to. And humanity, for some reason, seems to need to become "more" and "better".

The imperfection of that myth is evidenced in the impossibility of anyone ever achieving that state of heroism, and in the sheer lack of real emotion displayed by those heroes.

Christ was and is a hero, and there is heroism in His death. People who survive the disconnect of depression are also heroes, and there is heroism in both the survival and the sharing of that internal darkness.

Heroes, in my mind, are those who embrace their humanity in its fulness. It takes much strength to see oneself in brokenness and misery and choose to hold onto that as an integral piece of one's identity. In holding onto that brokenness and misery, there is not resignation to "always feeling this way", and there is not an attitude of needing to rise above these feelings. There is simply acceptance of the now, and hope that there will be more and better later on.

Submitted by Bob Smietana on November 7, 2005 - 3:50pm.

Gordon

Thanks for continuing to write about this and for refusing to be a hero.

Submitted by apalumbo on November 7, 2005 - 4:27pm.

You cannot carry unending sorrow and burning anxiety forever.
This is SO true. It was so hard for me to finally get help for my depression because I felt I should be able to handle it on my own, and if I couldn't, well, that was my fault.

Thanks for writing this - if this piece describes what I felt before I got help, then it has to relevant to someone else who's thinking that maybe they need to talk to someone.

Submitted by Ragamuffin Man on November 7, 2005 - 5:20pm.

 Gordon,I never knew how important that benchmark was until I was happy again. The experience of happiness had so long been lost that the emotion came as a surprise.
Neither I nor my wife knew I was climbing into bed stilled dressed and dirty because I was depressed. I figured I was just exhausted. She figured I had become lazy, was insensitive and cared nothing about her. I thought I was just tired from overwork when I would lay down on the couch for extended periods of time. My wife thought I was being a lazy, irresponsible and didn't care about the family. Some people in the church I pastored thought I didn't get more done because I was taking advantage of them.
 I can still hear my young children asking me, "Dad, how come you always want to lie down and never want to do anything with us." They thought I didn't love them. My wife figured I was the only thing important to me.Each of these situations continued a downward spiral, with my actions leading to resentment leading to my actions, leading to more resentment and contempt ...I had no benchmark either. Depressed people were the ones who cried all the time. I didn't. Depressed people didn't have great bursts of energy when you felt like you could conquer the world. Now I know those of us with bipolar disorder do. When either depressed or manic, I did things that led people to consider me immoral. By the time my illness was properly diagnosed a lot of damage had been done to others and to myself.
I lost my ministerial job, my family and my home. Two years ago I was nearly homeless. Now, by God's grace, having gotten the right medication, being employed at a job I love, and living in an apartment I can come home to, I have a better understanding of happiness. I still get down but not so deep that it leads to despair. I can be happy without being too scared of getting too high.  Not that I don't have my days  - or multiple days. Your writing is among the best of what I've seen in what it is to be depressed. I want to share it with people I've hurt, hoping that they will better understand. I fear that they will see it as excuse-making on my part.I now have a good relationship with my kids. Some people, including my former wife, have moved towards forgiving me and treat me well. I must confess I wish they would ask for my forgiveness. To hear them say, "I'm sorry. I made judgments that were wrong and hurtful," would help the healing that still continues. I know they didn't know, but neither did I. That desire on my part still is something I'm having to work through. God is redeeming your illness and the rest of us who share stories to help bring healing and light into places that truly are dark.Thank you again, Gordon, for your words. Grace and peace,Stan F. 
           

Submitted by jjfill on November 7, 2005 - 7:05pm.

so yeah, i think i might be deppressed, but i don't/can't tell anyone. i am afraid of drugs, i am afraid of what people will think... any advice?

Submitted by rlp on November 7, 2005 - 10:29pm.

Hi there,
 
I run a lot of things through a filter that I learned from recovering alcoholics. Ask the question: "Is this making my life unmanageable?" or maybe "Is this diminishing my enjoyment of life enough for me to go to the trouble (and risk) of dealing with it.
 
In my case, I was losing the desire to spend time with my daughters. It was strange, I loved them in theory. I loved the idea of them, which is why I wrote about them so tenderly. But in practice, in real life, I just didn't feel like doing ANYTHING. My depression was taking a toll on my life, and I became willing to take a chance and try something...anything.
 
I didn't want to take drugs, and I didn't even believe the doctor at first. My thinking was, "I'm not beating this thing, so I'll just try whatever the doctor says."

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 1:18pm.

Yes, take my advice please. Run, do not delay to a good Christian Counseling Center in another town within driving distance. They are all about privacy rights. You might even try a town even farther down the road where you would be even less likely to run into anyone you know there, as you cannot become invisible to get to your appointment. As suicidal as I was they did not lock me up (my greatest fear), they worked with me and I am still here. Not particularly happy about that fact, but still here. Have one tight-lipped significant other drive you there for the first couple of times if you need it. Ask your counseler questions, follow suggestions, ask for homework assignments for between appointments. It is not easy work, coming out of the pit. But if you want to, you can at least peek over the edge.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 7:24pm.

I've been diagnosed with Bipolar II Disorder for four years now; what I've found is that I can largely control the ups (the hypomanic episodes), and limit how high I fly, but not the downs. When the darkness falls, the curtains start to close, and that's that. Depressions a dark demon, and I've found some ugly, ugly escapes before; I haven't been on meds since near the very beginning, opting instead to try and soldier it out, but having failed so miserably at it more recently, am considering them once more. I think it might take more bravery to face the demons with medication than to simply continually deny their existence; I give you a great deal of credit for making the choice you did. You are a wiser man than many, and for both that wisdom and this post, I thank you.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 8:04pm.

I've been diagnosed with Bipolar II for about 18 months now, although I always knew I was a high risk of developing it- my mother is Bipolar I, and I always had strange, very changeable moods... so I suppose to me when the first marked hypomania came, it wasn't such a shock.
.

...I think the only reason that I'm so willing to take medication is the example of my mother, seeing what her not taking her meds did to her and also to the family.

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Interestingly, it is only now that I am reasonably stable, that I am able to establish a relationship with God. In my depressions, there was either no God, or a harsh, distant and cruel being, whereas in my hypomania- well, I was close enough to a god myself that I didn't need another.

~Nephron

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 8:16am.

My relationship with God, surprisingly enough, is one of the reasons I'm re-considering medication. The past four years I've largely been able to fake stability enough to get by (what does that mean? Mostly that I never let anyone close when I'm not stable, so they have no idea... healthy, I know.), but I've struggled more and more faking a relationship with God when I don't feel one. I either question His existence or our relationship consists entirely of angry accusations, and as someone who has spent much of the last four years in various forms of youth ministry, sometimes it feels altogether far too fake to handle.
My other reason would be my girlfriend, because as the one person I can't hide as much of this from, she takes the brunt of its ill effects.

Out of curiousity, can I ask what you're on? Last time, I tried Neurontin (it was the only thing my insurance at the time would cover), with no avail (instead of stabilizing me, I got mixed episodes... those were real fun).

Matt

Submitted by rlp on November 8, 2005 - 10:42am.

Imipramine. It helps my brain produce neurotransmitters, or dopamine, or something that I lack in sufficient quantities.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 12, 2005 - 8:03am.

Lithium as my maintenance treatment.

It makes me a little tired, but I haven't had any of the really nasty side effects, and it's done wonders for my mood.

If I go into another depressed episode, we're planning to add lamotrigine to the mix.

I've taken a few of the SSRIs to no real effect (although that was pre-lithium), and venlafaxine, which made my mood improve but be wildly variable- quite dangerous for me.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 7, 2005 - 8:42pm.

This is a clear and accurate picture of what depression does to a person. (But to the wife who says this is what her husband is like: Don't go diagnosing your loved ones too quickly b/c of what you've read here; it's much more complicated than that when you're looking in from the outside.)

Two years ago I finally admitted it was depression, after missing out on most of my "college experience". I got on the Zoloft and used for 6 months. Felt much much better emotionally, but it gave me heartburn something awful, so I quit it. For a year thereafter I still felt the good effects, but the heartburn went away (mostly). Now, in the last few months, the depression is creeping back (triggered by high stress, and causing even more; a nasty cycle). Until reading your post, however, I was planning on trying to live with it again, without help. Now I will seek help b/c you've reminded me what I'm missing and what can be gained by admitting it's a problem. So, thanks for the honest post. Who knows how long I would've kept trying to "deal with it" before seeking help again? Could be another 5 years.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 11, 2005 - 3:08pm.

Hi - just wanted to say that if Zoloft did not work for you, don't hesitate to ask your doctor to try an alternate medication. There's lots of options. Zoloft works wonders for some people, but I myself was permanently nauseous on Zoloft by day 3, so the doctor switched me to Celexa and I used it for 2 1/2 years without a single side effect. Be well.

Submitted by fortynine on November 7, 2005 - 9:39pm.

You've fingered the important part; bravo.

I'm realizing now the epic heroine of my interior narrative is a bit of a windmill; she's imaginary and my energy is not well spent on her. I think she's there to God, but the person other people see must be much more real to Him too. Ouch.

Submitted by krisinluck on November 8, 2005 - 8:08am.

Thank you.

Succinct and directly on point. After holding it together by a fraying thread for the past 11 months of outrageous body slams coming at me from every single direction - financial, time, responsibilities, and worst of all, spiritual - I shattered into tiny pieces on my kitchen floor the evening of October 27. I have hermitted, as I call it, for months, having no contact other than superficial with my friends and family outside this house, and trying to keep the face on for my husband, my kids, and the people who see me every day in town.

Like you said here, I thought I was being brave. Heroic. Just keep going. This too shall pass. Darkest before the dawn. blah blah blah It was not heroic to let myself go that far, to put my family through watching Mom in frenzied hysteria, to have my husband help me sweep pieces of my psyche up from the kitchen floor.

And Jonas' comment ("No one will remember me as the hero who fought the demon and lost. They will remember the monster that remained.") made me cry. Because I already know that. I knew it when it happened here that night, too. My mother was chronically depressed as well, and that sliver of santity that said it wasn't my voice also told me it was her voice, exactly the same, from the night she hurled the desk phone (circa 1980) at my head from across the living room.

I wish she was still alive, so I could tell her I understand it now.

God bless you.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 9:41am.

This is a useful site http://www.facetheissue.com/depression.html#

Submitted by Anonymous User on December 1, 2007 - 7:45pm.

Out of date reply to krisinluck RE wishing your mom were still alive so you could tell her you understand now:

You can. God is beyond time; therefore prayers can be retroactive. If nothing else, think of it as asking God to take a message for you, since God can speak directly to your mother and you cannot. I'm sure God won't mind at all.

carrie

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 11:21am.

I too suffered those crippling feelings of depression and anxiety; for me it occured after my marriage failed. Fortunately I had family who steered me into counselling and approriate medication very soon after, so I never actually crashed. Would people have understood if I had? I don't think so, I think I would have lost my children.

I hope to stop taking the medication soon, but I am ever so grateful it has been available to me when I needed it, and ever so grateful I had others to help me recognize I was falling into the void.
OW

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 3:13pm.

Gordon,

Thank you very much for posting this entry. I sought treatment for depression myself a year or so ago, when an emotional crisis I suffered precipitated me dropping out of graduate school, and when I discovered that getting back in would be nigh on to impossible, I slipped even more. Interestingly, it was a neurologist treating me for migraine who suggested I seek treatment for depression.

This post has really given me food for thought, and will help on the ongoing process of clarifying my perspective. Thanks again.

Submitted by rebeccajane on November 8, 2005 - 7:45pm.

I only drop in on your site occasionally, and I always appreciate your words. But this time I was quite surprised to read the paragraph beginning with, "Imagine how you feel when something terribly sad happens to you..." because I have previously tried to describe depression to someone in almost an identical way. I'm only 23, but depression has consumed the vast majority of my life. Only now am I learning to live like "normal" people do. Part of the frustration is how critically and cynically people regard those who have depression. So thank you for your candidness. Everyone needs to hear this type of response, whether depressed or not.
Thanks again. 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 10:27pm.

Thanks so much for this. I think I'm going to call the doctor in the morning and get some help myself.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 8, 2005 - 11:38pm.

As a Christian, a psychologist, and a person who has struggled with depression, I say thank you for being so open and honest about your struggle. So many Christians become wounded by their communities when depressed. People, pastors, friends, become like the friends of Job who tell them, "Oh, get over it."

Depression isn't something that is just "gotten over" and actually can become someone's entire existence. Medication is great, and I'm so glad that so many people here are open to its effects. I want to put a plug in for therapy, too! It has been so helpful for me, and I also get the joy and privelege of getting to watch God work in the lives of others via therapy. I pray that all of you who are talking about being depressed or loved ones who are find some peace and salve for you wounds and pain.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 9, 2005 - 3:32am.

"You get no credit for the weeks or months or years that you were being heroic."

I've been feeling weak lately for lapsing back into depression. I went to see a counselor and I'm getting my medication switched. I felt like a failure. I wondered if maybe it was just all in my head.

Thank you for telling me otherwise. And for sharing everything else. You've probably saved some lives, or at least helped people have abundant life again.

Submitted by wondering04 on November 9, 2005 - 3:47pm.

So, I was wondering one thing. Did you find God in the midst of this? I found that when I was battling depression God seemed so distant. About the only comfort I had was stockpiling a way to do myself in, so that there was always a way out. Sometimes I think when we need God the most, He is there the least.
Heather

Submitted by Janna H on November 9, 2005 - 5:01pm.

Depression is the ultimate in disconnect: disconnect from self, from other, and from God.  But He is there.  When I was at my lowest, I would cry out to Him and He would hold me.
Hold me - and I felt so unworthy, but He did it anyway. When we need Him the most, He is closest to us, but we are least able to feel His touch when we are disconnected from our selves in the way that depression divides us.-JannaMover, Maker, Changer, unbreak me once again. Beautify me... I want to be fully Yours. - JH 2005
Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfalls; all of Your waves and breakers have swept over me. - Psalm 42:7

Submitted by rlp on November 9, 2005 - 9:15pm.

Heather, I noticed something about dealing with God during times of depression. When I am depressed I find myself almost unable to believe in God. It's not God that's missing, it's me that cannot see God in anything. There is a spiritual component to depression. I've decided that it's my problem and not God's.
 
I think that living through dark times and doubtful times and faithless times are a necessary part of the overall spiritual journey. It's hard to see that when you are in a hard time, but in hindsight and after many years, that's how I see it.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 9, 2005 - 9:44pm.

i feel like depression is my life story, only people weren't too understanding, in or outside of church. thankfully, there is good medication when necessary and it saved my life, since i've been suicidal and hospitalized--that's how bad it got once. my first symptoms were always insomnia....chronic.....and appetite....anxiety for no good reason....and lack of interest in things that once brought me joy. But medication wasn't the whole answer. I need good, solid, biblical (not just spiritual) counseling to address longstanding issues. You're so right, though. It's hard to believe God when you're in a pit, and we have an enemy who capitalizes on our grief, pain, depression, whatever....But living through the dark & doubtful times IS part of the journey. I just wish more Christians understood that. God has taught me sooooo much in the valleys.

God bless you. I'll keep you in my prayers. Thanks for being candid. Sharing your struggle will no doubt help others who find themselves in the same boat.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 10, 2005 - 8:27am.

I found comfort in your post because it helped me realize that I am not depressed. I can and do feel joy. Often. The sadness I feel at seeing folks decline and die in my work as a nursing home chaplain is normal. It's normal. I have always been a person who feels life strongly and deeply, but this is not depression I realize from reading your post and others. This is me and this is the way I am and there is nothing wrong with it. There is sad stuff out there and it is normal and natural to grieve it. And there is beauty and compassion and goodness and it is natural to love it, to even cry then too because it is so moving. I cannot express to you what an epiphany this is; that contrary to what I was told growing up about being "too dramatic", I'm not. That was their stuff. Maybe they were depressed. Thank you for helping me understand this.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 11, 2005 - 2:29pm.

For some reason, I just want to say thank you, thank you and thank you. FINALLY, someone who really understands and can articulate this. Others (in my life) are sympathetic, but they just don't get it. Thank you.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 11, 2005 - 11:02pm.

Wow

How about being depressed for 5-6 years, married to a woman who's Borderline (Borderline Personality Disorder) hanging on to the insane ups and downs so your kids have 1 parent whose base-line they can count on. Constantly in a game of who am I married to today. Pair that with working for a man who's bi-polar...he loves you or he hates you. But I need the job because my wife won't work, and with my background/experience this really is the best gig available.

The one difference between you and me Preacher...I simply don't have the luxury of letting the cards colapse...instead I run like a fool trying to prop up the sandcastle as the tide keeps washing away the foundation. If my soul were any emptier, I wouldn't be a hollow man...I wouldn't be a man at all...just a dry husk waiting for the winds of time to erase his imprint on this place.

I like your blog...but like many blogs...sometimes what you describe as "bottom" is so far above where some of us live, it brings a wry smile to the face.

Tks for that...I needed a smile.

-Been There...

Submitted by nephron on November 12, 2005 - 7:51pm.

I don't like what you're saying. It's not a "luxury" of "letting" the cards collapse, it's just a point at which it is inevitable.  To say to someone that what they're describing as "bottom" isn't really is disrespectful, and IMO shows an unwillingness to accept others pain for what it is. Competing about "whose life is worse" is worse than pointless- it's destructive to those whose suffering is being marginalised and ignored.  It leads to people feeling guilty for feeling bad, thinking that they're just making it up... None of us are in a position to judge how someone else is feeling.

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 12, 2005 - 7:57pm.

I agree.

My comments were pointless. Still, so often I hear "testimony" of when people had it bad and I feel, that was bottom? As for letting the cards fall...perhaps its not a luxury for some. For me, its simply not an option...so it feels a bit "luxurious" or self-serving when people tell me they broke down with their lives and couldn't cope etc etc.
I have no problem with meds for depression...I'm probably overdue for getting back on them (been there, done that). But falling apart...giving up...not really an option for some of us.

Submitted by nephron on November 12, 2005 - 8:09pm.

That's nice.  Falling apart isn't an option for me, but I've done it anyway.  When you get to a certain point, you will fall apart. What do you hope to achieve by posting this?  Minimising the hurt that someone else has suffered?  Making them feel like they're "weak" or "selfish"?   Because that's the likely effect.

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 12, 2005 - 9:05pm.

No minimising intended.

Felt a wave of irony when I read your blog...on this entry I mean. Having lived up close to Deep depression, mental breakdown, austism (my son), and having to navigate a long series of impossible relationships...I wondered aloud (isnt'that what happens in a blog)...wondered aloud --perhaps even feeling a tinge of warped jealousy -- at the notion..."when does one get to let go" ... I mean in my case if I did so I would completely destroy the lives of my 2 children. They would become financially destitute and the one person who is truly functional in their lives (though you may doubt me on this given my original hard-nosed response...again, I agree, the way it came out was pretty pointless)...the one "stable" person in their lives they suddenly couldn't count on...I know that would be completely life scarring. So...I maintain that I don't have the luxury of falling apart, though I feel myself crumbling into a little ball within. I paint the mask afresh and with blind determination towards the goal of their survival...I continue. So, without meaning to be insentive towards you (and I realize...that my earlier post was laden with too much cynicism to even be clear about what I was trying to say)... there is a state beyond depression or perhaps in the midst of depression where one realises...no matter what...I've simply got to keep walking.
I'm sorry that my first post, laden as it was at the end of a very bad day at the end of a very very bad week, was burdened with the sort of pointless dismissal of yours or other people's pain. I guess I did feel almost jealous...that you got to hit bottom, stop re-coop and still have loved ones around you! You're truly blessed in that! If I went that way, I would lose it all...and so would my children, which would be worse. Again, for making you feel I was trivializing your pain, I'm sorry preacher!

Submitted by nephron on November 12, 2005 - 11:04pm.

I wrote a really long post, and it was swallowed.  Nonetheless:
I'm not RLP.  I'm nephron, another person posting on RLP's blog.
 I didn't get to keep my friends and family around me when I hit bottom.  When I hit bottom, there were serious consequences for my family- including my mother getting a kidney infection that went untreated (damaging her kidneys and threatening her life) because I wasn't there to advocate for her.
Children are more resilient than you think.  I grew up with an absent father (still married, just always at work/travelling/disinterested) and a mother with borderline personality disorder and schizoaffective disorder (think bipolar + schizophrenia).  However, my (much) older sister loved me.  She wasn't always able to be there for me- partly because of her repeated hospitalisations for depression- and she certainly wasn't able to shelter me from my life.  But she loved me, and that was enough.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 13, 2005 - 10:49pm.

That was me, Steph, at Narrow at the Outset ... didn't know how to log in.

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 13, 2005 - 10:52pm.

Amen, Preacher.

I just [finally!] came here for the first time. Been on meds just over a year, and it's been amazing. Never had been bad enough to hit rock bottom, which also meant that it never had been bad enough that it couldn't be dismissed (by me) as just overreacting. For a while, I wondered if it was just a "good" phase, but then as time progressed ... my mantra with my formation director became "Imagine how I would have reacted LAST year?" I just wished I hadn't waited 15 years to try the happy pills. But, at the same time, the compassion I've gained and the lessons I've learned and the people I've come to depend on in the past two years or so .... priceless.

Thanks for sharing your story. Even with all the developments of the neurochemistry involved, there still is a stigma attached (if only for the sufferers themselves). But what I've found is that sharing the story gets other people to step up and grow than to be judged. I still hesitate, though.

[OK, so now it posted my ID info without the original comment. Nargh. Anyway, this is Steph of Narrow at the Outset.]

Submitted by raj on November 17, 2005 - 8:06am.

Amen, amen, and let the people say amen, preacher.  There are no heroes.  There are no easy ways out.  As others have said here, it is a daily struggle, and even with the help of medication it can be a daily struggle. I am performing a funeral today--for a man who committed suicide.  He was an artist, a musician, a writer with two novels teetering on the edge of publication, a beloved professor...and he had depression and anxienty and despaired of ever finding a way out.  Amen, preacher, there are no heroes.  I, too, live with depression...and to everyone who does, I ask you please, get help.  Learn your body.  Get help.  Take good care of yourself.  Get help.  Learn to put yourself first.  Get help.  Shake off the shame, the machismo, "learn to love the questions themselves" (Rilke), and please, please, please, get help.
 

Submitted by Anonymous User on November 21, 2005 - 7:39pm.

Oh, man. This is just... all so true. I'm glad you're getting some help with this, and glad you decided to share in such an eloquent fashion.

Submitted by firedog on November 22, 2005 - 2:39pm.

Thank you for your post. I just happened on this site yesterday, as I was looking for some inspirational thoughts. I really liked your story about the rosary. That made be curious about what else I might find.I really identify with your comments. I'm wondering if I have been depressed for years. I definitely think I lost many years of my children growing up, because I buried myself in work. I've recently retired and no longer have my job to keep me occupied. Recently during a counseling session on another matter, my youngest son changed the topic and said that the elephant in the room was my depression.I haven't done anything about it yet, but maybe this will push be a bit. Thanks for your honesty.

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on December 3, 2005 - 9:48pm.

Your bravery is commendable and wonderful. I suffered from depression for over a decade. I thought it was normal to feel as I did. Medication was prescribed and, for a time, it helped and was my salvation. For the first time I could think "straight" -- as it were and behave in a level manner. But the medication also took away my passionate take on life. I no longer experienced the lows...but the highs were gone as well. During the 3 years I took medication (several different types), I also sought counseling. I never realized I had issues to work out. I was busy forgiving everyone around me but had forgotten to forgive myself. Later, when I reconciled my faith and returned to Christ, I was able to leave the medication behind. It took 3 years - medication, counseling and a renewed faith in God. The healing process would not have been complete without Christ but I had to make the first move and seek help. You are not alone. Praise God for your bravery and courage to share! ---Danielle, California

Submitted by alisonmarie on December 4, 2005 - 12:59pm.

Read this quite awhile ago, and felt the need to come back to it tonight. I needed to acknowledge your description as accurate. I've felt anxious and depressed for awhile now following a string of deaths in my life. It's starting to feel like who I am rather than a period I am going through; I don't want to allow that to happen. Thanks for your honesty.
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Submitted by Curnutte on December 7, 2005 - 3:03pm.

God bless you and your family for what you've gone through. I spent 10 years in that hell and didn't know what was going on until I had a heart attack. Back when I was in college, Joan Baez's brother wrote a book called, "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me." At the time I thought it was a clever title and kind of funny. But after I came out on the other side, I realized I had been in hell so long it looked like heaven to me. 
"Sacrificin' your own life, one day at a time to the flame...breathing the soul of it...That's religion. Anything else is just being nice. And a way of keepin' in touch with the neighbors." Pratchett (I have no clue who Pratchett is.)

Submitted by Anonymous User on December 22, 2005 - 10:55am.

• Have you seen an Ear, Nose, and Throat specialist?
• I was diagnosed with depression, and my symptoms turned out to have been caused by "Obstructive Sleep Apnea."
• Get a sleep test, bro.
• Merry Christmas
Best,
Hermano Cisco