I Tend To Disappear

September 27, 2006 - 1:52pm

Like all ministers, I have my strengths and my weaknesses. To have a knowledge of both is necessary for a pastor. For many people, what I do is important. Very important. Eternally important. That can be a bit of an ego trip. It may also lead to the crazy idea that my life and work is more serious and important than someone else’s. That’s not true, and it is a dangerous way to think.

My life, my theology, my practice of devotion, my best days and my worst days are all a part of me. How they affect others is always on my mind. That’s the necessary burden of this calling. And yet, I must show grace first to myself. Otherwise I will be unable to show grace to others.

In my case, I believe I know my two most serious pastoral shortcomings.

First, I have a tendency to disappear. You look around, and I’m gone. I came out of my shell on Sunday morning, smiling and shaking hands. I seemed genuine because I was genuine. I preached, I sang, I shook hands, I loved on the children. And when it was over, I disappeared. Who knows where the pastor went?

That in itself isn’t so bad, but I’m apt to disappear at almost any time. Having dealt with my depression and anxiety attacks over the last 18 months, I now know that when I start to lose control of my feelings, I become frantic in my attempts to disconnect from what causes me anxiety. Writing, reading, movies, and solitary manual labor are the things that take away my anxiety and depression. They are my drugs of choice. And they are things that have to be done alone.

I tend to do things at the church when nobody else is around. I’m like the little elven cobblers from the fairy story. You come to church and the chairs are in place. There is a sermon, printed materials, and sometimes a table is set for communion. Then I emerge from my office, smiling. I’m on.

Once a woman in the church said, “You remind me of a little hermit crab. If anyone makes a sudden move, you dart back into your shell.”

She’s right. Sometimes I think maybe being a pastor really IS that important, and I think that I have failed miserably, and I begin thinking crazy thoughts. The anxiety is a salty tang on the edge of the depression. It keeps me jumping. Sometimes the best I can do is flinch and force myself to stay engaged, but I’m often looking for a new shell, a place to be alone.

Occasionally I become so anxious and overwhelmed that I collapse in on myself, like a dying star. When that happens, I MUST be alone. It is no longer an option. I fear those times greatly. Medication has greatly lessened them for me. It’s rare now that I fall apart inside.

The end result of this is that I am a pastor who will probably never seek you out. If anyone asks for me, I pop out of my shell and give myself away. I listen hard. I am good listener. I will engage you and be all yours for a time. But you will have to ask for me. I will probably not ask for you.

My second great weakness is organization. I am the world’s worst administrator. I have terrible trouble with calendars anyway, and I loathe organizational tasks. They tend to depress me and fill me with anxiety. And you know what happens then. (See #1 above)

I remember when our elders started paying a very organized woman to help with the administration. One of them helped me work out a plan for keeping her supplied with tasks and duties. It all sounded good until I left his office. Then I had no idea what to do.

I’m not organized enough, apparently, to tell an administrative assistant what to do.

I began to be afraid of her. I would see her coming and think, “Oh shit, I should have some things written down for Helen to do.” Then my mind would go blank. Finally we stopped paying Helen to help me. Bless her heart; I imagine she was very frustrated working with me. Currently, things somehow run on their own at our church. Seriously, it’s a miracle, but we exist. We thrive even. A bunch of people show up at this church with a crazy dreamer for a pastor, and somehow we get the bills paid and do what we need to do. Year after year.

I administrate like an alcoholic. One day at a time. What’s happening right now? How am I needed right now? As a result I’m always facing deadlines and running around trying to fix stuff at the last minute.

I’m not proud of that. I try hard to do better.

But seriously, this is Gordon Atkinson. Most of his life he has dealt with his anxiety and depression secretly, all by himself. He has some odd coping skills. If you are looking for someone with the right words to be very present with you in the right moment, he is your man. This man loves the present moment and lives there in a way that is impossible for many people. But I doubt he’ll be able to plan for that moment. And when that moment comes, you’ll probably have to go looking for him.

It's dealing with what went before and organizing what will come after each moment that give him trouble. One out of three ain't so good, but there it is.

rlp

Submitted by Michael Main on September 27, 2006 - 2:12pm.

This too shall pass.

Such is the nature of grace. I've been taught that...and taught it well.

Be in peace.

love,
"Pepe"

Submitted by Josh on September 27, 2006 - 2:42pm.

I can relate to your ability/challenge with living in the present. I'm usually so focused with who/what is in the present that I forget to plan for the future or reflect on the past. Partnering with someone who values the past, but doesn't plan/worry too much towards the future has provided some interesting predicaments for us as a couple.
Sometimes I focus so intently on who I'm with that I forget about myself, almost as if I'm acting as some kind of conduit or light shedding on someone else and don't actually exist myself.
Until I get on my own, and then the worry about what I should have said/done/etc sets in.
Thanks for the crack in the door to Gordon.
Peace.

Submitted by Simian Farmer on September 27, 2006 - 3:09pm.

Since I'm of the opinion that the present moment ("pre sent" moment) is all there is in which we can actually DO anything, seems to me like you got the right one of the three.

Submitted by nikkirae on September 27, 2006 - 3:22pm.

It takes a lot of courage to embrace ourselves for what and who we are. I know that your congregation.. online and in your physical church building are blessed because you've done and continue to do that.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 4:18pm.

The Sunday morning hermit crab bit is very true of us 'small church' pastors. When the building is often unoccupied except for us, it can seem like we just pop out on Sunday and then go back in. I only wish I could get the listening bit down, Gordon - because I have trouble listening ON TOP of the reclusive tendencies you've listed.

But as one of your other folks noted, grace handles this along with much else. Perhaps you and I will never find the solution for these burdens we carry in this office - but grace shows us how Christ carries them with us, in Himself and in the loved ones around us.

Peace, friend.
Scott Johnson
Nachfolge

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 4:25pm.

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the truth is reading about your depression has, to some degree, enabled me to see my own. I've been a recluse for 20 years, running from the anxiety I knew was coming...and all anybody ever did was say, "Oh, he's just a character. So smart he doesn't have much sense, so he's kind of aloof." That sounds like you, at least to me.

I haven't gone the medication route, but I'm not far away. I feel like if I don't, I'm in danger of losing myself. (Ha, I think there is a joke about that of some kind). Like falling off a cliff to some degree.

Anyway, when you talk about your depression/anxiety like it's no big deal, it's inspiring. Thought it was time to say so.

Submitted by revsparker on September 27, 2006 - 5:06pm.

Once again, preacher, your insight into yourself gives me insight into me. I've been struggling mightily with feeling like a failure because it is SO hard for me to reach out, even when I know someone is in terrible need. If they come to me, I'm wonderful. But I dread going to them. I manage to do it, but I cannot manage to want to. And that makes me feel like a bad pastor.

The "in the moment" thing isn't so much a problem at the church for me, but tends to be a real mess at home. You see, I'm married to a planner. Not just any planner--one that is currently planning at least one major event in 2011. I think he plans to manage his anxiety and all planning does is make me *more* anxious. I have no faith in plans. Things never turn out like you plan them, anyway. I feel some strange sense of being trapped when he wants me to plan--I know I get a "deer in the headlights" look...at least on the inside.

So thanks. Your ability to be honest about who you are helps me figure myself out too. And the fact that you can say, "But seriously, this is Gordon Atkinson" helps me think that maybe I don't have to be ashamed to say, "but seriously, this is Revsparker." It's who I am. I try to do better, but down deep, this is just who I am.

Submitted by rbarenblat on September 27, 2006 - 5:56pm.

You wrote:

>>My life, my theology, my practice of devotion, my best days and my worst days are all a part of me. How they affect others is always on my mind. That’s the necessary burden of this calling. And yet, I must show grace first to myself. Otherwise I will be unable to show grace to others.>>

Boy, howdy, does that resonate for me! I'm just a rabbinic student, walking the early steps of the path toward this life's-work, and I am nodding my head here a mile a minute. Yep. I'm right there with you.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 7:05pm.

The more I do this pastoring stuff, the more I get into the hermit crab thing. There is just so much one person can handle; the need is overwhelming. There is no way I could ever fulfill it -- nor is it really my job. That part of it is God's job. I'm just a little blip in most of these people's lives; God is the matrix of the radarscope.

The hermit crab thing? I realize what it is for me -- it's called a retreat. That urge to retreat could be a deep-seated spiritual instinct. There is something very natural about the ebb and flow of retreat and engagement, it is a fundemental rhythm of God's creation (the ebb and flow of the tides, the falling of night and the brightening of the dawn, sleep and wakening, the quickening of spring and the falling of the leaves), and one Jesus himself practiced. The opportunity for solitude should not be devalued or seen as a pathology. When you 'disappear' you are NOT being pathelogical. What is pathelogical is our fear of this rhythm, probably because we don't have faith that the day will break and night will go away. We are not called to be "on" all the time.

Be gentle with yourself.

Submitted by hughman on September 27, 2006 - 7:16pm.

2 things -

1. "things always work out"

they may not work out how you expected but in the end they work out.

2. i think everyone in your church and your family already knows this about you. i knew it and i'm neither. hopefully they'll go where they need to go if they want some kind of planning and immediate gratification. if not, well, too bad for them.

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Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 7:41pm.

You've got to be kidding!

You have sought out a wide variety of people, people you are willing to help just by being yourself, ministering in the way God enabled you. Not all people like to be in view, but best operate behind the scenes. Your the one who says its ok not to be perfect but remain firm in being faithful. You make God more real than those preachers who do seek "you" out. You are who God made you, and you have a place in HIS plan. Your place is pretty big in a virtual society desperately seeking Truth. Big for those of us who don't like to be in view, but can best relate through blogs. RLP rocks! Cenotez

Submitted by rlp on September 27, 2006 - 8:08pm.

It's a small distinction, but important to me. I sought no one out. I just launched my blog and wrote my guts out. People found me, which is always okay. I'm always here for anyone who finds me.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 10:12pm.

Didn't mean to offend. I'll be in your church visiting soon, when my mom gets well. Just wanted you to know you are wonderful just being you. Cenotez

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 27, 2006 - 10:47pm.

I haven't been reading rlp for long but i can't tell you how much i appreciate the things you have to say. to read as a guy is genuine, who struggles and dreams and cusses and really just lays himself out there for everyone to see. i find it encouraging, validating even. it helps people like me realize i'm not alone.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 1:56am.

Peace Gordon, You are who you are, eternally loved by The Creator and bringing His love to a broken world. Peace.

ScoG Blog

Submitted by Billb on September 28, 2006 - 3:15am.

Someone did mention it earlier . . . the present is all we really have and I think that is truly where God wants us to exist. It's His place to be free of that constraint . . . not ours.

I was sharing one time with the therapist that I occasionally visit. I noted that while riding my motorcyle (even in Dallas traffic) I seem to find it most calming and a time of immense reflection and problem solving. Amongst the inattentive drivers - my thoughts are clearer, resolutions to vexing issues drop into my lap and I generally find myself working thru whatever the problems of that day might be. All this while keeping very focused on staying alive and out of harm's way.

She pondered for a moment and said "that's because you are living in the present. that's were God wants us to live, He is present when we are in the present. Since we exist in linear time (but He transcends that concept) it's the only time we are both in the same place at the same time (pun intended)."

So - I ride a motorcyle twice a day (at least). Once to work. Once back home. It's about a twenty minute ride each way - making it a very profitable 40 minute visit to the present :)

That leads into that old joke about "how do you make God laugh? Tell Him your plans". Plans, calendars and what not - there's nothing wrong with them but they are no subsitute for the present.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 2:21pm.

The "making God laugh" joke was a new one for me. Thanks much! Can I relate....

Submitted by Lauren on September 28, 2006 - 6:10am.

Two thoughts:

How good it is that you have positioned yourself in roles which necessitate getting called-out. It is tragic when turtles live only in the bog.

How good it is to look at yourself and see clearly that you are a turtle. There is no relief, hope, or peace in a dissonant conception of self.

And remember, GA, turtles are people too.
Lauren

Submitted by HarryTick on September 28, 2006 - 6:12am.

RLP,

ARGH!! You're HUMAN??!! OMG!!

And you've learned not to function on appearance, and still work to spread God's message of love? My God, man, is there any question as to why the rest of us love to read here?

Submitted by PreacherBoy on September 28, 2006 - 6:55am.

And here I thought I was the only reclusive, somewhat introverted pastor alive. You being you has helped me to better see that it is ok for me to be me. I love the people of our church and they love me. The ones who don't love me for who I am can go take a flying...well, you know.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 7:26am.

Dear rlp,
I've been reading your site for ages, and somehow didn't comment.
I also loved this post. I don't think you need affirming because you clearly do know yourself very well - as you said. But, I would like to thank you for your honesty, it opens doors for so many people. I am one of those dreaded planners you fear! But that's OK, because I've learned that we all need space for our gifts, and we ALL need to understand how other people operate. It sounds as if you are more of an introvert, so presumably you NEED those escape moments as much as extroverts would go crazy if no one would ever let them vent for a few minutes.
Having been disappointed so many times by men of God, who are not very godly I appreciate so much your efforts, and also the fact that you share them. Oops. WE appreciate them.

Submitted by Tripp Hudgins on September 28, 2006 - 8:10am.

Thanks for this post. Again and again I am reminded of how imperfect we are and how absurd the call to ministry is. None of the prophets were perfect. None of the apostles were perfect. God calls us, the fallen imperfect, to be and lead his flock.

Grace is a good thing.

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http://christreconciler.blogspot.com

Submitted by Mark Goodyear on September 28, 2006 - 8:18am.

RLP, when did honesty from pastors become so surprising? Thank God for you. When you are weak, you are strong--and we are too.

Submitted by mattman on September 28, 2006 - 8:27am.

Just adding on here, but I really found myself relating to what you wrote, particularly the reluctance to go "out" and the accompanying self-judgment over that. You are lucky that your congregation knows this about you. I've noticed that many church members expect their pastors to somehow intuitively "know" that they need them and consequently complain about pastors who don't "visit" enough. The weight of that expectation can be crushing if we take responsibility for what other people fail to communicate.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 9:41am.

Gordon, I could have taken your very words, added my name in, and this would be me. I always feel inferior because I hide from the phone ringing, I can't organize past 15 minutes from now, and I am also a wonderful on the spot person if you come looking for me... but I just can't seem to be able to go to you. My church needs to grow, yet I can't find the energy or the ability to be out and about in the community to try and talk it up. Preaching, studying, planning & leading worship, and working a secular job 30 hours a week... plus being a wife to a man who deserves more than leftovers is draining and exhausting. yet it is where God has called me. We all need to understand who God created us to be and quit comparing ourselves to those who can do all the things we can't possibly do. Sounds good. Now to just do it.

Tina

Submitted by SingingOwl on September 28, 2006 - 9:43am.

Pastors as People

Dr. Playtypus posted about pastors after reading this post and one of mine, so I had to pop over and read yours too.

You could have been me talking, except I don't usually use that "s" word. LOL!

I'm great when people seek me out, but it is agony to make the first move. Why are we pastors then, I wonder? My more gregarious and driven colleages make me feel so inadequate.

I do love people, and I know you do as well...and thank God for marvellous, infinte, matchless grace.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 9:51am.

Thank you RLP, because there are many of us out here who suffer in many of the same ways you do and have learned how to deal with it on one level or another. And keep going. We love people and are called to serve them by serving Christ. Even He had his times when He needed to get away too. We are a lot like Him in that respect as well as others. And this is God's grace, that even though we muddle through each day as we do, His grace permeates us and our environment and it is this that makes it all work out, even when we can't always see it. You are loved and appreciated, you RLP, and all who travel that anxious road.

Catherine +

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 10:10am.

Oh but that shell is so important. When I was backpacking last summer, my mp3 player broke about 2 weeks into the trip and I had a hysterical crying meltdown in the train bathroom because I had no way to block out the world anymore. It was frightening to realize how much I depend on the time in hiding, but there's no changing it, is there?
Take your gift for organization and details and then imagine that you are an administrative assistant to about 100 people - there you have me right now! It's not pretty. And the new friends in a new place thing. I actually drove all the way to a community group for my new church and then turned around and drove home. Chicken.
All of that to say I KNOW. And I really will visit if I can get over being scared of being there without Erin to sit by and having people notice me and then having to talk to them.
See you soon (maybe),
Lori

Submitted by revsparker on September 28, 2006 - 10:18am.

oh, i forgot to say that the picture you chose for this one is brilliant. perfect. beautiful. moving...

Submitted by Hook on September 28, 2006 - 11:42am.

RLP,

I too want to say that I am amazed how similar we are in temperment. It seems that many who gather here are like us.

I am often in the public and everyone who sees me there thinks I am the perfect extrovert. After those brief interludes of caring and sharing I drop off the face of the earth.

I must and I do.

If I am denied that time alone for long, those breakdowns you mention are certain. I've never been medicated for them, but I think I should have been.

My family knows better, of course, and I have too often shorted them by giving all I have of myself away before they received what they needed. I've learned better now, and they understand better too. They know if I am preaching, speaking or doing an event, I will come home and go straight to my office. No one will bother me for a while then they sneek in and give me a hug or ask how things went. Soon I am human again and I can go out to play with them.

Living in the moment is pretty neat though. I rarely worry about anything. When I am with someone(s), I am fully with them. People really appreciate that. I can, and often do, forget all else. This trait is hell on calendars, but I don't like them anyhow. My boss has insisted that I carry a smartphone that includes my calendar and it vibrates when I am due to be in a meeting or on a call, so I don't miss too many any more.

I imagine Jesus lived this way and it helps me to accept the weird (by our culture) nature of this lifestyle.

Anyhow I pray that God will give you more grace and peace.

Peace
Hook

Submitted by Keith on September 28, 2006 - 12:14pm.

I love organization, but only in the context of a big, impossible project. Clothes and past-due bills can land wherever they land.

I also don't see anything wrong with needing a break from humans. They're pretty taxing. Especially after a gig.

But INTJs are like that. We're 1% of the population, and we think it's the other 99% that are weird.

Submitted by rlp on September 28, 2006 - 1:39pm.

Hmm...Me INTJ too.

Submitted by Keith on September 28, 2006 - 2:16pm.

Gee, I never would have guessed.

Submitted by HarryTick on September 29, 2006 - 7:07am.

LMAO! RLP says: "Ugh! RLP INTJ too!"

Okay, not really, but how it came across while reading. :D

Submitted by Pascale Soleil on September 29, 2006 - 1:37pm.

Here's a shocker: I'm INTJ too.

Pascale's Wager

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 1:38pm.

Keith...good point...

INFP here. 4% of the population.

-Tripp Hudgins

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 3:15pm.

RLP

Another powerful post. I practice a similar profession and too suffer from depression. Accepting my limitations has been an important insight which I have gotten out of dealing with depression. If we do not accept our own shortcomings we become paralyzed and unable to do much of anything for those we serve. The important point is not to make no mistakes, which is impossible, but not to make too many.

DWL

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 3:16pm.

I thought myself an extreme ENFP at all times, until I became a pastor two years ago. Now I find a healthy doubt of that. The INFP in me is being brought out by my congregation (no pun intended). I struggle with the new split personality and my good friends call me out when I am playing pastor instead of friend. The role of pastor does almost appear to necessitate a certain hermit crab lifestyle. The intersection of calling and identity is muddy.

- Don

Submitted by abiding on September 28, 2006 - 5:21pm.

"If you are looking for someone with the right words to be very present with you in the right moment, he is your man."

I found that to be VERY true one Sunday in April when I hit bottom. Thank you for being present that day.

P.S. Planning is highly overrated.

Submitted by Anonymous User (not verified) on September 29, 2006 - 11:06am.

But this is why we have Communities of faith. One person cannot do it all. A tyranny of ministry is that ministers expect that they should do it all, and feel bad when they do not. In fact, aren't we all called to be the Body of Christ? Aren't we all called to serve? OK, so you cannot seek people out, and you struggle with depression. Well, we all have limits, crippling inner demons, things we want to do and cannot. It is the nature of a broken creation. It is why the Body of Christ needs each of us -- doing what we can, helping those who cannot, making ragged sense of life and the church as we stumble forward together. Please do not feel sad about needing the support of a community. We are supposed to need that. Even Jesus did.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 12:40pm.

okay, this is so weird, but thanks so much for your posts, because you sound so much like my 17 year old son. the more i read, the more you remind me of him. he is really struggling to find his faith, and is not there yet, and it scares the crap out of me. i have always just had that flower child faith you have mentioned, and i cannot comprehend how his brain/heart is working. but you sound so much like him, in so many ways, i am somehow always given hope when i read your blog that he will find a faith like yours. hang in there, i am sure you are being Christ to so many in ways you do not even comprehend. grace and peace.

Submitted by Keith on September 29, 2006 - 2:55pm.

Writing, reading, movies, and solitary manual labor are the things that take away my anxiety and depression. They are my drugs of choice. And they are things that have to be done alone.

I knew I had a reaction to this when I read it, but I had to mull before I responded.

A little background before I try to express it:

I've been known to get out of bed at 3AM to write, because I haven't been writing enough lately and the pressure and anxiety have built. When I don't get my daily work time, I become short-tempered, irritable, and difficult to live with.

One (entirely legitimate) way of looking at this would be: Drug of choice.

But another, which is the one I choose, is: Taking steps to fulfill my promise.

What you're framing as a way to make the anxiety subside, I'm framing as getting back on the path. To me, anxiety is a message that there is something I have not taken control of, and a motivator to take action. When I get back on track, it goes away, not because I've done something to make the anxiety go away, but because I've done something to get right when I know I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm hearing you wrong; it's very easy to project. I have my own black monsters, and I know how they worm their way through my thoughts and motivations, and piggyback on my natural drives and impulses to the point where I don't know what to blame for what--but I think you may be attributing something to depression that may actually be attributable to something much nicer: drive and purpose. Writing, reading, movies, solitary labor--these aren't exactly numbing agents, even if the lack of anxiety they engender is such a lovely relief.

Or I'm projecting. In which case...

Never mind.

Submitted by rlp on September 29, 2006 - 3:40pm.

Well, we're all complex people and all of us at times misinterpret ourselves. I would say that all of those are very good things (the four things I like to do alone) And often that's what they are for me - good things. But when I rely on them to numb my feelings (and I do and they do) then perhaps even these good things are being used in ways that aren't so good.

Submitted by Keith on September 30, 2006 - 6:56pm.

I understand that. I probably was projecting. For me, making anxiety go away by writing is okay, because what I'm anxious about is the fact that I'm not writing.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 30, 2006 - 5:46pm.

I've been ordained for l0 years (taught college for 25 years prior to that!) I looked for a group hard and long --of clergy folks who would be honest, trustworthy, funny, and well, who would listen. Finally I have found you...them??? On line, who would have thunk. And RLP I could have written about depression and anxiety and being a turtle (no hermit crab here) and I'm an ENFP but just barely an E...thanks for providing me with a community.. hanks for being honest.. with things that normally bring shame in the Christian community....Gail

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 1, 2006 - 9:14pm.

I can relate to this, too.

I work in broadcasting, and I host a weekday show. When I'm done with it, there's nothing more I want than to get away from everyone else. I work on the show alone, but it's still a performance...you have to present a certain manner and personality the entire time. Since my divorce, it's even more intense. It's the same way when I have to do a public appearance. When it's over, I want to get away and get home as quickly as I can, and it's bothered me tremendously, and I've felt lots of guilt over it. Maybe I shouldn't feel guilty about it, but I do.

Submitted by Anonymous User on December 1, 2007 - 9:02pm.

No need for an introvert to feel guilty for needing alone time after being "on." Everybody needs some; introverts need more. That's how you recoup your energy and take care of yourself. Me, too. My son, on the other hand, is an extrovert and has been from birth. He needs people around to interact with. He can be alone for awhile if he needs to be, but then he really needs someone to talk with, play with, just be in the same room with. It took him until at least age 5 to comprehend the concept of personal space. Til then, if he wanted to show you something, he held it an inch from your eyes!

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 3, 2006 - 10:14pm.

It is so nice and reassuring to read of the "shortcomings" of so many of you. What RLP describes is me, and many of you, too. Thank God we are willing to say it, and willing to accept from others here that the defining moments for us as pastors are varied, and often come on the heels of what we would think are failures. As I go to a new church soon, I am reassured that there is at least one place (here) that knows, has been there, knows s/he will be there again at some point, and continues to walk the holy journeys that God has called them to.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 4, 2006 - 3:54pm.

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I have a new site that could be calming, comforting to you.
Please take a look.

dave

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Submitted by Anonymous User on March 10, 2007 - 11:19am.

I use it occasionally to manage depression and anxiety, in addition to arthritis pain that can become overwhelming. Typically, doing the nightly clean-up is very frustrating for me. I have ADD as well, so that coupled with the depression... WBR LeoP

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 10, 2007 - 11:32pm.

I have had depression and anxiety all of my life. I am now however, experiencing severe confusion at times; I don't mean I forget simple things. I lose the ability to continue what I am doing because I can't process it. WBR LeoP

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 30, 2007 - 8:31am.

Not all children who misbehave need to be medicated. The impression that my wife and I are getting is that there is a selfish desire to find a quick fix. WBR LeoP

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 3, 2007 - 3:15am.

I can't believe I'm going to write this. I've been depressed most of my life. Adult Children of Dysfunctional Families. Your post reminds me of home, of taking care of all the things that my mother left undone. Often those things were done in the church because my mother had a habit of volunteering to do things for the church. She couldn't take care of her home or her family, but she volunteers to take care of the church's business. Could there be a child or adolescent or Adult Child who is taking up the slack because of your organizational difficulties? You say you run things like an alcoholic, and it sounds like it. Might the 12 steps of Emotions Anonymous or some similar program help you to stop laying your burdens on someone else's shoulders? "Each one should carry his own load."