Jacob's Well: Portrait of an Emergent Church

September 28, 2006 - 3:17pm

Jason Byassee has an article in the current issue of Christian Century that interests me. He gives his impression and analysis of Jacob's Well, an emergent church in Kansas City.

The emergent and postmodern movement within Christianity is nothing new for ministers, but if you are not a part of the Church, you might not know about it. I think a revolution is happening. I don't think the current forms of the emergent movement are any more sacred than any that came before, but clearly many within the church are shrugging off a lot of excess baggage.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on Jacob's Well.

Here are some thoughts/questions I have about the emergent Christian movement:

First, I think if you are trying to be postmodern, you aren't postmodern. Be yourself. Do what you think is right and leave the results up to God, or whatever you want to call the intelligence behind the Cosmos. Emergent Christian churches have this feel to me. I like that. I notice that many people who attend Jacob's Well have never heard of Brian McLaren. That's a good thing.

Second, I like the emphasis on practice along with theology. This is an approach to spirituality that makes sense to people. And anyone who thinks practice and devotion are less important than doctrine has not been reading the gospels.

Finally, I like the idea that at Jacob's Well, you don't begin with doctrines and eventually find your way into the community. Instead, you can become a part of the community and see where it takes you. My friend George became a Christian in just such a way.


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Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 4:53pm.

I loved the article. In fact I'm using it in reference to the James 5 lectionary passage this week. The one about having the elders gather to pray and how in most of our mainline churches (mine included) we'd sit around and quibble about whether or not or in what what way God might heal others; instead of just getting busy and doing the practice and seeing what happens.

Submitted by Adam Moore on September 28, 2006 - 6:16pm.

I was actually just thinking, and reflecting, today about your third point. I just really think that is right. There must be a place in the church (and not a less important place) for those who are not followers yet, not even believers. What other way is there to learn to believe, or to learn to follow, than living in the community of Jesus? But I think including ones such as your friend must happen intentionally - we are never inclusive by accident.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 6:46pm.

I've stopped going to church, because the people seem fake, especially the preacher. He's a good man, but nothing about him seems sincere. Not his language, his posture...he's so stiff. He doesn't seem real. The Keels guy does...he would be fresh air at 99% of the churches I've ever been to.

Submitted by mu on September 30, 2006 - 8:02pm.

Honestly, I'm in the same boat. It is not my intention to never go back...I really want to. But the last church I visited (for about a year) left me so disillusioned...I just needed a break. This is the kind of thing I want...I wish I knew where to go.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 3, 2006 - 7:39am.

Here's a thought, and it is not meant to be condescending, but rather enlightening. You want church and the people in it to be different? Be the difference! You won't make it better by leaving or refusing to go until they straighten out to suit you.

I have friends who claim they don't go to church because the people there are so hypocritical. I tell them they ought to feel right at home, then.

I toyed with leaving my church and searching for another because I felt they were not doing enough to support the great ends of the church. God revealed to me that he put me there for a reason and if I wanted it to be different, it had to start with me. I know the way will be hard and I will on many occassions become very impatient, but I will follow the path God has set before me. Because of Him, we will triumph.

Submitted by jeremyca on September 28, 2006 - 10:08pm.

JW sounds like an incredible "space." I love the concept of space, "sacred space" and how one chooses to utilize it. I sensed a very deep resonance of reverence for what was there before, and how it was put to good use now. Not many changes were made, but here and there, and the focus of belong, behave, believe is a wonderful concept. (I was looking for particular references to acceptance in that article) but I guess if the members of JW are young - modern people - and he speaks openly about piercings and tattoos, then that community just must be incredible.

I remember in high school walking into a catholic church youth group in 10th grade - and it was like that (Belong,Behave,Believe) I went once and I stayed for 6 years. That was church for me, not to mention that i was going to mass as well, but the social aspect of worship for young people was really more important than church. Stepping outside the boundaries of "fine lines" moving into community that welcomes "shades of grey" can only go farther than "lock step - this is the book" love it or leave it church. I think JW speaks to what is to come, with respect for where church has been. It seems JW is a magnet for preachers to recharge their batteries and that in itself is so important that they can serve a greater population - by caring for the ministers who lead flocks elsewhere.

My vision of "Church" with a Big C would probably be very similar to JW, because of its reach and respect for all who come in, the way that preaching is at eye level and not above anyone, the fact that music is important along with prayer and the eucharist is celebrated as well. I have my beliefs - and they have changed over the years - I may be older now - but I am still somewhat how do you call it, "hagiographic" the emerging church is attractive. I think as others do as well, like you that this is the next "evolution of Church and the evolution of church as people."

It's not all about the almighty dollar any more or placing the fear of God into ones soul or judgement. I think church begins with Love and moves towards Acceptance and finally embraces Forgiveness, "Doing" these things on a daily basis allows God to work miracles.

JW seems to be an emerging force on the Christian Worship scene. We'll have to look out for them in the coming years won't we! Thanks for the read, I found it incredibly interesting and entertaining. There was just a very strong sense of "reverence" for me. I don't know if any one else picked up on that, maybe I was wanting to feel that from this article, because church has become so superficial as of late, which has disallusioned me and made me jaded. That's a bad thing, I know.

Maybe when I graduate and move on to my Masters I may look into "planting in my community, there are so many church buildings looking for an owner to give them life once again." It's a thought. Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing... But you once wrote about finding the perfect church and the fact that if we go looking for it - we won't find it. So my take on that is, then I will create it. I have big thoughts, sometimes they work ...

Thanks Gordon.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 28, 2006 - 11:12pm.

Thanks for linking to that! I know a couple of pastors who've commented on the Emergent Church, and I will pass that article on to them.
--textjunkie

Submitted by atticus on September 29, 2006 - 6:30am.

i found this article very intriguing, esp.as my mainstream church is in the midst of a transformation which speaks alot of bringing in the #s. i often wish we did not have to maintain the larger church that was built as it saps our money and energy as we try to fill it to survive. i wish we could start over in a small place, and only focus on the spiritual growth matters...but the larger church only wants to fill up the physical building. and there is so much pressure to do that, well, we lose sight of our many Georges...quiet, strong people that build the body. well, i forwarded the article to my pastor and i know she will be just as intrigued as i am...

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 7:12am.

Just a small nitpick because I'm a pedantic asshole... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_Church#Emerging_vs._Emergent

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 10:13am.

I don't understand most of the jargon, but the impression I get is of a sincere and well-grounded effort.

Submitted by Keith on September 29, 2006 - 10:14am.

That was me.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 12:52pm.

Gordon,

I've been reading your stuff for a couple of years now. Maybe one year after you started is when I began. And I should tell you that I have considered your church an Emergent Church FROM DAY ONE. There was never a doubt. (I consider myself an Emergent guy.) It's interesting to me that you haven't found more personal and communal resonance with the movement. Which leads me to my second observation...

Why the no-love for McLaren? I suspect, having gleaned a bit of your personality over the years, that you are reticent about Evangelical tendencies (which you may or may not know are quite historically common for us) to "follow a leader," a type of personality cult rather than, well, rather than following something else. As a sociology of religion student, I tend to simply embrace the fact rather than resent it, (we have no cohesive ecclessiastical tradition or pope to organize ourselves by) but I can understand the resentment from somone who is tired of the old way--representing, as it does, a way that we wish would pass quickly--and wants something new.

Just an observation.

Submitted by rlp on September 29, 2006 - 3:36pm.

I didn't intend that as a no love for McLaren thing. I like him. Have his books. Seen him in person. Think he is good for the Kingdom.

I just meant it is a good thing that they are doing what they feel is right, not following along for trendy reasons, you know? Not that it would be bad if the knew McLaren.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 12:58pm.

I'm suprised that there are no comments as yet from JW members. RLP has a nice following there. Me, I used to go there. It is so refreshing and welcoming and genuine, I told Tim Keel that I must leave in order to affect my home church in the ways of Jacob's Well. He couldn't have been more excited and supportive. Now, Tim would be the first to tell you that JW is not without it's problems. They have made mistakes and have even lost some attendees because of those mistakes. But the bottom line is not how many, or how much. They consistently seek God's emergence in every relationship. Curt in KC.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 1:27pm.

My son and his wife are members of Jacob's Well. We visit there fairly often and always come away refreshed and inpired. We consider ourselves huge supporters of JW, even if we are simple-minded aging hippie Jesus freaks. :) We were also raised Catholic and have an enduring appreciation for the liturgical and even the monastic. Can't say enough good about JW.

Katy and Doug Raymond www.fallible.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 1:28pm.

I should have been inspired to spell inspired correctly, though.....

Katy Raymond www.fallible.com

Submitted by Tripp Hudgins on September 29, 2006 - 2:18pm.

Thanks for the heads up on the article. I'll check it out. Reconciler occasionally gets lumped in with the Emergent, too.

http://www.anglobaptist.org/blog
http://www.communitychurchofwilmette.org
http://christreconciler.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 3:07pm.

hmm I had an immediate thought to your (RLPs) 3 comments before going to read the article. From my experience in the UK your commnets sound like a description of British Quakers

Submitted by notarev on September 29, 2006 - 6:37pm.

Good article. I like what Keel has to say, although I didn't realize he is considered one of the "founders" of the Emergent movement. I've been following it for some time, I've read most of McLaren's books and I resonate with much of their "conversation." While it does seem that some so-called "emerging" or "emergent" churches may be doctrinally suspect in some areas, that same charge could be levelled at a number of mainline and evangelical congregations as well. Most of the ones I'm familiar with are deeply committed to living out the great commandment and the great commission. Thanks for the link.

Nota

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 29, 2006 - 11:19pm.

Where can I find a Jacob's Well or RLP's beautiful church? I've googled around a bit and cannot find an index of Emergent Churches. Are there non denomination churches out there that tend to be less "happyclappyJesusismyboyfriend"? Is there a denomination that maybe I would enjoy more if that's not my scene? I just dont where to go. I have reclaimed my own faith from the clutches of Evangelism. I am exhilirated and ready for my journey but I can't do this own my own. I need the tangible and not the glow of my computer screen. I need to sit my butt down in a pew and hear a sermon. My pastor rode into his sermon once on a Harley....Uh huh, yeah, rode it into the Sanctuary. I almost spilled my complimentary Starbucks. So you see,this is what I have been trying to ignore, the slick marketing, the Starbucks, and the fake rock concert. Quaker? Episcopalian? Emergent? Where do I go to worship God? Where do I go once a week for quiet reflection? Where do I go where there are no Jesus fishes on Hummers? Is it me? Tell me if it is. I know I rolling my eyes on the inside when I go to church. I know I am judging. Maybe I am jealous because I'm not all "high" at church. I just feel so alien in my church. Any insight people. I live in the Southwest.

Submitted by rlp on September 29, 2006 - 11:45pm.

No one can tell you unless they live near you, I'm guessing. This may not be much comfort, but the journey to finding your church is an important part of spirituality. Seek and ye shall find.

Submitted by Anonymous User on September 30, 2006 - 11:03am.

I found a wonderful church because of a banner that hung on the side of the building during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq: "War is Not Our Saviour." By their fruits ye shall know them.

Submitted by Billb on October 1, 2006 - 4:39pm.

If you are in the Dallas area - Irving Bible Church

It's not perfect - no church is - but it's got lots to offer on many levels . . . to people on many levels. You will find lots of different types of folks of different colors, different backgrounds and at different places in their life. Yeah, there's a place to get coffee too - but don't let that get in the way - they don't

If you aren't in the Dallas area - start looking and don't stop looking till you find "the place" you can serve God, worhsip God and maybe learn a bit along the way.

Submitted by goatmeal on October 1, 2006 - 1:47pm.

"First, I think if you are trying to be postmodern, you aren't postmodern. Be yourself."

-Exactly. I've been around churches that try to be leaders in that movement, and it comes off as just another fad. I've also been around churches that try to be themselves and end up as leaders in the movement (sort of like JW)without really caring one way or another about the movement as a whole. In fact, I'll be going to one of them tonight...

Submitted by OldPoet on October 1, 2006 - 4:16pm.

Trying to find a church, especially one that resonates with what you crave in worship. I have been there. I think sometimes we must found a church.

"I want to serve God. I want to do it differently than most around me in my current church."

So start a church. Find one person who wants what you want, craves what you crave. If that person is a follower of the God you want to serve, meet together regularly. Tell each other your heart's desires. Love God communally. Tell other people about what you do. Worship in the way that makes you feel you have connected to each other and to the larger community and to God, especially, always to God. You are a church. You have emerged.

I and my friends founded a church within a church, within RLPs church to be specific. My Sunday School class is full of misfits and retreads from other, older ways of worship and study. We didn't fit in regular Sunday School, so for the sake of the whole, we took to meeting together in a little room and asking questions and finding God and each other in the answers. I value that community more than I could express. It has literally held me up in times of woe.

I wish I could gift that to everyone, but I think you have to get it for yourself sometimes.

OldPoet

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 2, 2006 - 11:29am.

JW sounds a lot like what my husband as music/worship leader, I and some others tried to start in one of the services at the Methodist Church we used to belong to. The pastor was supportive, but there were complaints -- a small but vocal group of people didn't want to have communion every Sunday, it took too much time (God forbid we should worship longer than an hour!) We tried to do a wide variety of music, but the youth and others only wanted slappy/clappy/jesus is my boyfriend stuff. Finally, he gave up and got a job as an accompanist at another UM church. I have been going there sporadically. The music is good, the sermons are predictable and it will never be my church. The article about JW filled me with longing. When I sent it to my husband, he said, "I don't think that a church like JW (or Jubilee! down in Asheville, NC) can exist in a denomination. Too many restraints..." Some days I think I'll just become a Quaker and not worry anymore about the music or the liturgy. Just sit in silence and wait for God...

--Harper

Submitted by revscott on October 2, 2006 - 1:48pm.

*sigh* I was afraid of this. I need to stop reading about emerging church stuff, because sometimes it just depresses the hell out of me. It's tough to get the green-eyed monster to leave me alone when a good EC story comes calling.

There are aspects of the emerging church that really strike a chord in me, Gordon. The authenticity and commitment of churches like Jacob's Well point to something I believe all of us hope to see in our own congregations. Heaven knows it's been on my heart since before I started seminary 8 years ago. But it's just not the way most of the members of our denomination (the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) learned to "do" church. "Sunday morning, 1 hour, 70 minutes tops, and check in on me when I go to the hospital, Pastor (that is, if I decide to tell you - wouldn't want anyone to know I'm getting my knee replaced); that's all I want from my church."

I know that sound resentful, and it's not meant to be. I love these people I'm called to serve. But fighting the spiritual inertia in our lives is exhausting work; here, where I serve, it's a never-ending battle.

The experiences described at Jacob's Well and the churches like her are what got me into the ministry in the first place. When I discovered a group of believers at my church camp in Nebraska who were willing to share their brokenness and their joy, I knew that this was the "communion of saints" I'd always dreamed of finding.

Vulnerability and authenticity, commitment and Christ-centered living; these things are so rare one might compare them to the treasure in the field that Jesus describes in one of his parables. I'm 32, about to become a father, and tired of being either a spiritual superman or the flashpoint for everyone's problems with the church. But this is the yoke I bear for Christ, and I wouldn't give it up for anything. I'm called to this work, and I cannot give it up. So I shoulder the wheel and hope to gain another inch or foot this week. God is with me either way, and my wife, and for that I'm humbly thankful.

I guess the point of this rambling, incoherent comment is my admiration for the emerging movement and how it's shaped my hopes for future ministry. I hope to go into campus ministry in a year or two, and I know that many of the things I love about the EC movement will be beneficial in a campus setting. That is, if they haven't already passed them by. :-)

BTW, another great leader in the EC movement is Rob Bell. He produces the NOOMA series of videos - check them out at www.nooma.com

Thanks for the link, Gordon - it really made me think this afternoon!

Scott
nachfolge.blogspot.com

Submitted by mattman on October 3, 2006 - 9:21am.

Scott, I really relate to you and what you name. I too am serving a mainline denomination and look longingly over the fence at places like JW. But a helpful point made by Keel is that it isn't something others can reproduce. The point is not to impose a 40-days model on your existing community, but to discover and embrace the unique gifts that your community has and can be nurtured. Diana Butler-Bass has done some great work taking some of these emergent ideas of organic practice and watching them renew older "mainline" churches from the inside out.

Submitted by revscott on October 3, 2006 - 3:24pm.

Of course you're right, and part of what I find so beautiful about the emergent movement (or emergING, if you're a pedantic asshole - see above ;-P) is its organic nature. What works is what happens, and what happens is what works. Part of what frustrates me in my present work is the high level of fear of the new and different and the investment in maintaining models and practices for the sake of maintaining models and practices. We Lutherans (heck, we Christians) are some of the most idolatrous people on the planet - the church, or our vision of it, being our idol of choice.

Hell, I'm just bitter because we've had a few setbacks here, or at least things that I define as setbacks, and I feel like Sisyphus at the moment. So take all that I've said with a block of salt, huh? But thanks for providing me space to vent, and thanks again, Gordon, for pointing me toward a thought-provoking article.

Scott

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 2, 2006 - 6:37pm.

Thanks for the link.
It was a very refreshing article. I'm always encouraged to find churches that are expressing their faith in ways that resonate within the communites where they're at. The struggle in my own life is having a hunger for what "church" could be like in my heart and then having to live in the reality of where I live.

Scott
the "cornell" couple

scratching-the-itch.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 2, 2006 - 8:37pm.

The evangelical churches still have an assumption that we are in a mostly Christian society, so all the church has to provide is discipling, some fellowship and outreach. But we don't. We have to provide community where we do everything at the church's community center. In my city there is a Jewish Community Center that provides religious teaching, help with homework, college student resources, daycare, etc. (http://www.jaxjewishcenter.com/) They know what it takes to live in a non-Jewish society. Are we "peculiar people" or not?

I like the Alpha course. It provides fellowship & social connection and lets the people in the course win themselves to the faith. Each sponsor looks after the one they sponsored. If it is done right, it forms a community that helps put on more alpha courses. Other courses are available to them as follow on such as FICM's Beta course and Christian Healing Ministries' course on healing.

In George Hunter's book, "The Celtic Way of Evangelism", he describes how the Celtic church model was structured with voluntary times of solitude, times of one-on-one with a soul friend, times in a small group and times in the religious and practical life of the community. This church format flourished and was evangelical.

When civilization collapsed, it was this Celtic church that saved civilization. After they saved the Roman church, the Roman church used treachery to stifle it.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 3, 2006 - 6:13pm.

I will suggest my opinion as an individual who has never belonged to a religion:

The more I examine the face of the present, the more it seems that the old books and their dogmas, churches, and priests have outlived their usefulness. Of course people still attend church, seek spirituality, but the capactity for Christian, Jewish, or Moslem faith to truly light up the nature of god, the nature of religion, has waned significantly*. The old books cannot speak forward to the modern world.

In a way we have failed, we never had the fortitude to do the things that the wisemen of old directed us, instead we wage wars in their honor. Our own selfishness, and love of community have blindfolded us to radical wisdom. And now the time when those issues were relevant have passed, and new horrors arise, along the horizon for us to prepare for.

And some still believe in that old white haired father in the sky, who judges and redeems us.

And the more we search out his visage in the heavens, with our telescopes, and satellites, we find that he isn't there.

There is something humanity has not yet perceived in its search for truth, and comfort, and it looms...

--

*Just like an age ago when the old pantheons died, when fertility, and worship of the seasons could no longer fulfill our species yearning for truth.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 4, 2006 - 5:06am.

Yeah, I hear ya. I used to think like that as well. Now I take my telescope and I see God's signature on everything. Strange how things can change in the blink of an eye...

Take care,
Mich

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 7, 2006 - 12:01pm.

Been there, done that, got the tee shirt, threw the tee shirt away.

If The Christian faith was just the musings of a bunch of dead semitic men, I would agree -- and did at one time.

But the supernatural aspects of Christianity trump anything that secular Humanism has to offer. Signs & wonders still occur; they just don't get broadcast by the Humanist dominated schools and news media. The Bible is a supernatural book, no matter how much the Humanists jerk around the translations. Hundreds of prophecies in it have come to pass. Hundreds more are due to come to pass.

Prayers still get answered, although God is loath to make a big splashy show. He made the world to His liking, so he works within His structure to bring answers. The chance of all the coincidences I have seen coming to pass being random is very close to zero with a high confidence factor. I mean leg bones lengthening, cancer vanishing before our eyes, split personalities being merged -- each of these in minutes.

As soon as you start going against the flow, you will be shocked by Something fighting your efforts. That Something's name is Satan. She won't fight you, so long as you are going her way.

-Tim Temple
christheals.org

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 3, 2006 - 6:15pm.

Gordon,

As usual, you have your ear to the ground, listening for the footsteps of the church coming closer.

But, all this talk of the emerging church amuses me.

The church has always been "emerging," always coming into fuller formation, from the very moment the Risen Christ appeared to those scared-shitless disciples crouched and huddled in fear for their lives in that hidden upper room.

Relevant, contemporary, hip, cool, uncool, boring, drab, liturgical, liberal, fundamentalist, charismatic, mainstream, postmodern, postdenominational, postchristian, catholic, baptist, pentecostal, reformed, choir, praiseteam, rural, urban, suburban, cathedral, storefront, billygraham, motherteresa, pope, joelosteen, jumbotron, jerryfalwell, jessejackson.

It doesn't matter.

Just go to church. Let the community of Christ love you.

Will Campbell said it best: the church may be an old whore, but she's still my mother.

Charlie

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 9, 2006 - 2:51pm.

I found the article to be challenging and confrontational in a healthy and unusual way for me. It was the reminider that we are following Jesus and what He calls one group to be in place is not a new cookie cutter for everyone to use. I look forward to the day when those who claim to follow Jesus really let Him lead. I wonder what neighborhoods and communitites would see then.