Leaving Church:

October 10, 2006 - 11:13pm

A memoir of Faith by Barbara Brown Taylor

Barbara Brown Taylor is a beautiful writer. She has clarity, simplicity, and depth. She is also a beautiful thinker. And that shows in her writing as well. That's why I own every book she's ever written.

My reading has suffered since I began writing seriously. I have less energy for reading, so I am careful with my choices. I’ve been avoiding church books these days in favor of serious literature that feeds the writer in me. But when I saw that Taylor’s memoir was out, I had to have it.

Behold, here is a Barbara Brown Taylor that is new to me. She is very vulnerable in this book, confessing her motives and insecurities and allowing us to walk with her as she tries to deal with them. Her struggles are the classic struggles of every pastor. She worries about her power and how she uses it;  she worries about what people think of her; and she worries about her church and its identity. Most of all, she wonders how to maintain her own growing faith in the middle of working to support the faith of others.

Some may wonder why a seasoned minister like Taylor still struggles with these things. But I am an insecure minister myself. And I know what it is like to write with some sophistication, but still worry about what people think about you. I feel a kinship with her in this regard.

Ministers can feel dehumanized at times. This happens in part because we court our righteous image and in part because the people in the pews want to see nothing but our image. Taylor describes a church party where people were pushing each other into a pool. No one would push the minister in, of course, so there she stood watching everyone else in the water. But then someone gave her a shove and she found herself in the water with all the rest of us. I found myself struggling with tears as I thought about my own life and how many times I have wished I could be “a regular person.”

Barbara Brown Taylor left church to find her faith. Not THE Church, of course, but the little church, the shaky and wobbling shadow of The Church that is every local congregation. She left the center of religion and moved to the wilderness, and there she found the presence of God had not left her after all.

I would say this to you. This is a book about leaving church. And if you never find a way to leave church, you might have a hard time finding God.

rlp

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Submitted by slither dude on October 11, 2006 - 3:18am.

"if you never find a way to leave church, you might have a hard time finding God."

this is what we call here in the Philippines, 'pamatay' -- deadly Ü

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 14, 2006 - 6:17am.

uy, why is it deadly, kuya moks? hehehe..

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 4:13am.

I too enjoyed her book. As a minister for over 30 years I had some (a lot) of the same feelings.
Son of a Preacher

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 6:14am.

Funny, I left the church w/o any internal struggles because I got sick of lying, controlling (and totally unethical) 'leadership'. Between the usual just-out-of-school certainty that he/she has all the answers, and the current 'leadership' kick in the church (leadership, leadership, and more leadership - without leadership you have nothing), anything coming out of seminary during the Bush era is totally irredemable as human beings.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 1:28pm.

Hmmm... I graduated from seminary during the Bush era.

Guess I'm an irredeemable human being?? Pardon me, but WTF??

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 7:45pm.

Yea, me too.
Let's start a club...

Submitted by theresa on October 11, 2006 - 7:49pm.

Me too!!! Can I join!!!

Bitter people leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 6:24am.

I guess I'm past redemption then. Not every seminary is unethical. Not every church is unethical. And, not every religious leader is unethical. Granted, there are plenty that are - but not all of us are. And, generalizations are dangerous things.

Submitted by rlp on October 11, 2006 - 7:13am.

Generalizations are dangerous as are rash and extreme interpretations that force a literal meaning to push something to the extreme. C'mon, what I meant was that somehow, spiritually, you can't put your faith in the local church. It must be in Christ. That's a metaphorical "leaving" of the church.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 7:25am.

Sorry, RLP, I was responding to the one who posted that "anything coming out of seminary during the Bush era is totally irredemable as human beings." I've read BBT's latest book and was touched by it as well.

Submitted by rlp on October 11, 2006 - 7:45pm.

Completely my bad. I got the thread mixed up. Saw yours as a stand alone. My apologies.

Submitted by visual-voice on October 11, 2006 - 7:45am.

Gordon,

Barbara's lecture at the Washington Cathedral in June is available to watch online here: http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/register/taylor2006sp.shtml

Might be of interest to you and your readers.

Submitted by Keith on October 11, 2006 - 8:05am.

So... you gonna talk about the serious literature, too?

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 10:26am.

I haven't read the Taylor book yet, though I am a huge fan. (I am a first-year seminarian) so I will by default fall in the post-Bush grads, though I think there are plenty of great recent and coming grads.) I want to highly recommend the first chapter of Chris Hedges' 2005 book, "Leaving Moses on the Freeway" as another inspiring, sobering memoir of a man finding God away from Seminary, church, etc. The chapter is a personal essay on the first commandment and will likely shift your view of the decalogue in a serious way. Read on

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 11:15am.

why are you a baptist minister? and what does baptist mean anyway? what theological unity or identity does it give those that claim to be proudly Baptists? do baptists know why they are baptist? to what is one being ordained to do?

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 7:47pm.

I think you meant these questions to be sharp and cutting, but I just find them confusing.

Submitted by rlp on October 11, 2006 - 7:52pm.

I'll take these in order, but you must understand that any one of those questions is pretty complex.

1. Why am I a Baptist Minister? Because I am a Christian and felt ministry to be something I was "called" or gifted to do. I grew up in the Baptist tradition of Christianity. It fits me.

2. Baptists emphasize scripture as an authority for faith and life. We also believe in the priesthood of every believer and are STAUNCH believers in the separation of church and state. We believe in the freedom of individuals to determine their own beliefs. We are also a congregational people. There is no higher church authority. No bishops, synods, or whatever. That means that every Baptist church is free to define themselves. So you find Baptists of almost every variety. Very conservative and very liberal. The latter are less common than the former.

3. I don't know about what it would mean to be proud to be a Baptist. I'm neither proud of it or ashamed. I don't feel a deep kinship with many Baptists, in part because I believe so many of them have left our traditional values behind.

4. Ordination is not a word found in the New Testament. Therefore, Baptists don't really have an official ordination. Any congregation may lay hands on a person as an affirmation of that person's gifts to do some work for Christ. Ordination is strictly unofficial and does not carry any powers or priviledges, EXCEPT that another Baptist church might trust that ordination as evidence of a calling.

This was a quick answer. Not complete, but probably as good as I can do in the time I have.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 12, 2006 - 9:15am.

I didn't mean for the questions to be cutting or confusing. I am someone who is about to be in seminary who was raised in one of these liberal baptist churches (praise be) and I am exploring what it means to claim one is baptist, as opposed, say a methodist, and how defines the pastorate, especially if that person entering into the pastorate is a woman. Sorry if you took the questions as insulting, I have just really valued the depth and direction of your writing, and felt that someone with your experiences and journey, could better answer these questions than the local clergy I am in community with.. Objectivity.. That's the word I was looking for.. I just needed an objective word..

Submitted by rlp on October 12, 2006 - 1:27pm.

RLP here, that wasn't me who thought they were cutting. That was an anonymous commenter. I had no problem with the questions or how you asked them.

Submitted by Mark Goodyear on October 12, 2006 - 1:44pm.

As a new Baptist myself (which means I've started going to a Baptist church), I really appreciated your questions. They were honest questions. I appreciated them even more when I read RLP's answer.

Submitted by Tripp Hudgins on October 12, 2006 - 5:11pm.

RLP,

This is good. It is the short version of what I told my ordination commission in the ABC-Metro Chicago...and what I have said again and again to others. It is hard to be Baptist these days if one is not Falwellian. This is not to suggest that Falwellian Baptist tradition is bad per se...but it is only one Baptist voice. One of millions. And the rest of us have to hold ourselves in comparison.

http://www.anglobaptist.org/blog
http://www.communitychurchofwilmette.org
http://christreconciler.blogspot.com

Submitted by Clueless on October 11, 2006 - 1:44pm.

I suppose I have left my church. It is a great place with very good lay and clergy leadership and a lot of really good people. I quit attending after my wife and I split up. My wife thinks I am moving away from God; I felt like He had moved away from me. We'll see.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 11, 2006 - 8:36pm.

Hey clueless, wish I had enough familiarity with the Bible to be able to locate the passage that says that God is closer to us than our breath. That has been a comfort to me, even when I didn't feel that way. Hope you find your way back to that great place or another with lots of good people.

Submitted by Suzer on October 12, 2006 - 8:30am.

Hi Clueless. I think it is another Barbara Brown Taylor book, "When God is Silent", in which she says something like this (I'm quoting from memory, so forgive me if I get a word or two wrong): "is the moment of God's most profound silence also the moment of God's most profound presence?"

I don't know if that helps you at all, but I know that at the darker times in my life, when I felt God had abandoned me (or as you put it, moved away from me), that quote and its meaning gave me a sense of comfort. In fact, I taped it to my bathroom mirror. :)

Barbara Brown Taylor is amazing. I own all her books, but have lent a few out which have not made it back to me yet. I've got to get the latest one -- I'm eager to read it.

Submitted by Danny Bradfield on October 11, 2006 - 5:58pm.

I've not read BBT's book, but did hear a wonderful 40-minute interview she gave on NPR ("Fresh Air," I think), in which she talked about the book. I'd love to read it, but like you I find that there's so many books, and so little time.

Some of the best books I do read, however, are the ones I buy for my son. Eragon/Eldest, Artemis Fowl are some recent examples. I sometimes think I learn more about theology from good stories like these than I do from my theology books.

Danny (Field of Dandelions)

Submitted by theresa on October 11, 2006 - 7:51pm.

I've just finished it for the second time. I feel she's lived my life in ways; I know those pitfalls, I've fallen into them.
The best thing? The question: What are you being saved from today?

Submitted by textjunkie on October 11, 2006 - 11:15pm.

I read that book!! I loved it!! I quoted extensively from it all over the place... She hits more nails right on the head than I could count. :) I'm glad to know you liked it too.

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 12, 2006 - 1:34am.

Danny,
I'm with you -- most of my reading time these days not spent on blogs is spent trying to keep up with my kid. Luckily there is lots of great stuff being published for kids these days -- all you mentioned and more.

sorry for wandering off topic.

Geodog.

Submitted by harper on October 12, 2006 - 10:35am.

I read BBT's book voraciously. I'm not even ordained, but I am a chaplain in a retirement/nursing home, have a seminary degree etc. so close enough. I too cried when I read the swimming pool story. No one, no one in my extended family other than my mom, EVER asks me how work is. I did a wedding for a couple once, "unchurched" friends who didn't want to go to a jp --there was another official person there to do the "I now pronounce you..." part to make it legal-- but I did the ceremony. It was soon after I'd finished seminary and I was astounded at how people seemed to cut a wide swathe around me at the reception. Now I'm used to it, but not really...

Submitted by revscott on October 12, 2006 - 2:31pm.

Isn't it funny how the Church, the body of Christ on earth, the means by which Christ is revealed to most of us, is also the thing that leads to such bitterness, anger, and easily bruised feelings? Perusing the comments section on this page, I was struck by how quickly things got defensive and how easily anger and resentment boiled to the surface.

This is not a value judgment on any post here. I don't know your story at all, so how could I say what you feel is justified or not? But it is obvious that the church is easily mistaken for Christ, which, I think, is the point Gordon was trying to make and may also be the point the Rev. Brown Taylor makes in her book. I've not read it yet, but it's on my list.

Friends, let me bust out a little Luther on ya. "Although the church is, properly speaking, the assembly of saints and those who truly believe, nevertheless, because in this life many hypocrites and evil persons are mixed in with them, a person may use the sacraments even when they are administered by evil people." The church is not, has never been and will never be perfect. I don't think even RLP, with his great love for Covenant Baptist, would argue otherwise. Because we are who we are, the church reflects us on the journey; sinners and saints simultaneously, and so at times the church is wonderful and at other times the church is the last place a good Christian wants to be. Unfortunately, we'll never remedy the situation; we'll just have to walk away from idol church to reconnect with Savior Christ every now and again.

Thanks, Gordon, for suggesting the book (you're the most recent of several comrades to suggest it). Now, I'll echo another comment here: are you gonna talk about what you're reading?

Scott Johnson
nachfolge.blogspot.com

Submitted by Tripp Hudgins on October 12, 2006 - 5:16pm.

Scott,

Good post. Bonhoeffer speaks of disillusionment being a natural part of Christian growth and maturity. At some point we have to come to peace with the dynamic that Luther describes. Taylor, from what I have read of her, gets this as well...and it is good of her to share her struggle with us. Disillusionment is seldom easy. It is seldom comforting.

But the truth...well, it sets you free. No?

http://www.anglobaptist.org/blog

Submitted by revscott on October 13, 2006 - 6:29am.

Amen - and then your freedom sends you into service to others. Galatians 5.13-14 is the basis: "For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for self-indulgence, but through love become slaves to one another. For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Wow - Barbara Brown Taylor AND Bonhoeffer? What kind of Baptists are you people? :-)

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 13, 2006 - 4:13pm.

There is a series of books by Stephen Arterburn, the first of which is called "Toxic Faith." This book shows how churches get off track and socially sick.

The second book, "More Jesus, Less Religion", is a later, more positive book that focuses on how to get back to social health.

I highly recommend both of them.

But the Constantinian church structure is inherently flawed because it wasn't the original, New Testament church structure. John Wesley said, "But as much as we endeavored to watch over each other, we soon found some that did not live in the gospel. I do not know that any hypcrites were crept in, for indeed there was no temptation; but several grew cold, and gave way to sins which had long easily beset them. We quickly perceived there were many ill consequences of suffering these to remain among us. It was dangerous to others, inasmuch as all sin is of an infectious nature."

"Thus it became necessary to call the leaders of the class meetings (small groups) together and desire that each would make a particular inquiry into the bahavior of those whom he saw weekly. They did so. many disorderly walkers were detected. Some turned from their evil ways, and some were put away from us."

Is there something that would keep this model from working today? Besides infringing on the sovereignty of the priest?

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 14, 2006 - 7:38am.

Ministers can feel dehumanized at times. This happens in part because we court our righteous image and in part because the people in the pews want to see nothing but our image.

This spoke to me in a way I cannot express.

Right now I am in the wilderness and have left the local church but I am still connected to the spiritual body who worships the Lord in Spirit and in Truth. God is guiding me and is showing me things I have never scene before. It is scary in the wilderness because it is against the norm. People don't understand and think many different things.

Thank you for sharing.

becky

www.tripinsidemyhead.blogspot.com

Submitted by Lauren on October 22, 2006 - 10:31am.

Thank you for recommending this book. Barbara's story resembles my own -- and since my leaving is so fresh for me (only five months) -- her writing was a balm I needed badly. Her spiritual trek aligns so closely with mine, I feel that I understand and have found understanding. God, it was good to read. Thank you.

Lauren

Submitted by Anonymous User on October 24, 2006 - 11:58pm.

Ministers can feel dehumanized at times. This happens in part because we court our righteous image and in part because the people in the pews want to see nothing but our image.

That is not what I want to see at all, man. I won't go to a church where I think the minister is cleaner than me. What does he know about being a dirty wretch? I know if I go to a place like that I won't ever be able to tell the truth about myself. It is a better minister, a real live minister, that knows his own foolishness and walks that road openly. It isn't comfortable, but it is so much healthier for your church to tell the truth even when the truth about you sucks. Let the people who don't like it go away. If you aren't a broken man, don't waste our time. Please, please be human and reinstate my hope in a leader that knows how to follow Christ into some nasty places. It gives us permission to expel some pretty nasty bezoars when we see the man in front doing this.

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