For We Are Many

January 4, 2007 - 7:39am

Part two to this story was originally published here. I left this page so that the comments would remain. You can read the whole story here.

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 8:23am.

I feel silly asking, like I should know the answer, but when was Joseph enslaved by evil?

Great story. Thanks! One of these days you're going to be able to publish RLP's New Testament!

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 8:29am.

As always, your interpretive take on the Gospels is fascinating and fun. Like I said before, I am very interested in your view on this subject. There is no way that I could explain my thoughts in 6 minutes. But you are obviously more well versed than I, so, guess I will just have to wait for the vid.

Michael

Submitted by Simian Farmer on January 4, 2007 - 9:12am.

"Defeating evil is always shockingly expensive."

That line's going to stick with me for a good long time. I feel like I could nearly see Jesus sitting there, apologetic yet intent, in the aftermath. Thanks for this.

Simon

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 5, 2007 - 5:38pm.

Yes, the best line.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 10:03am.

Amonymous--the Joseph referred to in the story is the Old Testament Joseph (the one with the Technicolor Dreamcoat). His brothers sold him into slavery before he eventually ended up in a position of power in the Egyptian government.

RLP--WOW!!! As always, good stuff. I'm a long-time reader, but first-time comment poster. Thanks for your take on this story.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 10:48am.

Hmmm, Anonymous User #2, this is Anonymous User #1. I knew all that about Joseph, but when RLP said, "enslaved by evil" I read it as "he himself did evil things"--sort of like the way Daimonias was enslaved by evil--and I knew he hadn't done that, so I was confused as to whether I had the right Joseph (although the New Testament Joseph was even more inconceivable!). I do think Joseph is a great name to use for this story--the fact that he remained faithful throughout his enslavement is key--I guess I just might have worded it a wee bit differently since I had that immediate reaction like "Joseph wasn't evil!" even though i see what RLP meant. (Hope this is construed as constructive criticism!!! I tend to take things overly literally; that's probably the problem!)

Thanks! Giddy (this time I"ll use a name!)

Anyway

Submitted by rlp on January 4, 2007 - 7:31pm.

Hey,

Yeah, this is meant to be Joseph from the Old Testament. He was enslaved by an evil act of his own brother, AND the whole idea of slavery is pretty evil. But he came through it okay and ended up second in command in Egypt.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 11:03am.

I'm sad that I'll miss the commentary on evil, etc. It doesn't matter whether I use a high-speed connection or not - I am endlessly unable to access your videos.

Kalamazoo Andee

Submitted by casey rousseau on January 4, 2007 - 12:50pm.

Kalamazoo, can you view other videos from Google Video? Try, for example this trailer for the movie Happy Feet.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 11:11am.

Any thoughts about why the loss of the pigs was "necessary"?

Submitted by Lisa in Austin on January 4, 2007 - 9:29pm.

All I can come up with -- after years of being disturbed by this story and wondering why Jesus would kill all their pigs -- is that it took something visible, tangible -- real -- for the people to see and believe that the demons had been cast out. But I'm just an average gal and not a trained professional.

Submitted by rlp on January 4, 2007 - 9:53pm.

Well, the take from the story is that defeating evil is never free. Sort of like the transferance of energy. You only get out what you put in. Some things have to add up. Just a thought of mine that I've been kicking around for a few years. The truth is, I've always felt bad for the pigs and for those who owned them.

But you have to live in the worldview of the New Testament. Most people would not have been all that concerned about the pigs. So the way to understand the story is to set that aside and let the reality of what happened soak in. These animals died so that he could live.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 8, 2007 - 11:32am.

But the story itself seems to indicate that Jesus had the option of sending Legion into "nothingness"...?

Another thing that's always bugged me about this is, "where did Legion go after the pigs drowned?" It would seem that Jesus could have just sent him there in the first place and spared both the pigs and their owners.

Submitted by LutheranHusker on January 4, 2007 - 11:32am.

Giddy--lol...this is Anonymous User #2. This time I'M not anonymous either!!! Sorry if my post came off as condescending...I wasn't sure without knowing you what kind of Bible background you may have had, and figured I'd err on the side of caution.

Anyway, that was an interesting (and cool, IMO) turn of phrase RLP used, the double meaning of "enslaved by evil", and I see where you were coming from with your initial confusion.

Good to meet (e-meet?) ya! God bless!

http://lutheranhusker.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 1:42pm.

"Defeating evil is always shockingly expensive." The most dramatic line of the story, no doubt, and instructive as well. For me though, the line that gave me hope was the sentence immediately following it: "But this child of God was worth it." Probably an obvious thought for most of you more advanced followers, but for me it was a second where I was "cracked open" along with the story.

And those pigs! I have lots of questions about that part--can't wait for the video.

Kait

Submitted by PastorBluejeans on January 4, 2007 - 2:07pm.

"Defeating evil is always shockingly expensive. But this child of God was worth it."

The Gospel in two sentences. This will preach. Suddenly I am feeling so very very humble that God would go to such an expense for "this" child of God.

Submitted by LutheranHusker on January 4, 2007 - 2:25pm.

Amen! When I first read through the story, those two sentences jumped out at me as well, knowing the "shocking expense" Christ paid for me at Golgotha. Shocking, prodigal love.

Notice too that Jesus doesn't say "this child of God DESERVED it," only that he was worth the price. Of his own accord he wasn't worthy, but Jesus DECLARED him worthy.

Like you, I'm also feeling pretty doggoned humble right now. Wow.

http://lutheranhusker.blogspot.com

Submitted by the-rafter on January 4, 2007 - 2:18pm.

Wonderful story telling.

Amazing the love and complexity of God.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 5:27pm.

Thank you, preacher

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 5:41pm.

Ditto on the "shockingly expensive" part...I didn't even continue reading for a few moments, pondering that for a second. Incredible line.

Submitted by producer girl on January 4, 2007 - 7:15pm.

Wow. I'm sorry I have nothing more to add- just, Wow. Thanks, preacher.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 8:08pm.

Amazingly good! Worth the wait, even! I've been checking since I read the first half waiting for the second - is the gap deliberate to torture us?

Another vote for my favourite line: "Defeating evil is always shockingly expensive." Ah yes, so it is.

I also love how you made Jesus give him a name, and not just any old name either, but a hero's name. A name to grow into and to live up to. I also find it interesting that he still had to go back and live inhis own village with the consequences of what had happened. It is a powerful testimony to God's work, but it would have been pretty tough on him! I can see why he might have preferred to leave it all behind and go with Jesus.

Fantastic stuff, as ever - many thanks!

Elizabby (Australia)

Submitted by rlp on January 4, 2007 - 9:55pm.

Yeah, a theme of the story is that redemption is never cheap. It costs to set things right. If he went with Jesus, it would be like being in the witness protection program. No one in Galilee would have to know that he had such a terrible problem. Cheap and easy. But Jesus makes him go back and make peace with his people. Tough, but most serious redemption comes at a price. That's why the 4th step is so hard and so necessary for recovering addicts.

Submitted by Anonymous User on January 4, 2007 - 9:45pm.

As one who has been caught at the cash register with too little in my wallet, I completely understand the shockingly high price that is oftentimes paid in the quest for righteousness.

Brilliant phrase, preacher, brilliant.