Just Some Stuff That's Goin On

March 20, 2007 - 1:57pm

First, the bad news. Someone stole my digital camera. At least I think that's what happened. I had it at St. Thomas Episcopal Church, then I went to a coffee shop, then home. By the time I got home it was gone. It was sticking out of a top pouch of my backpack, and I'm assuming someone just reached over and "yoink!"

That stings. It was a nice one. And they got my three SD cards, one of which was sent to me by a reader.

I may be a little light on pictures here for awhile, but it's mostly about the words anyway. Things come and things go.

Now the fun news. Reiley bought her first car, and it is SO cool. She's such and interesting person. She's very pretty, but also a little geeky. You know, in the good way. Likes Lord of the Rings and all that. Anyway, she decided that she wanted a classic car. We looked all around, and finally found a guy who lives near us and works on old cars. His name is Richard, and he has turned out to be an absolute mensch. I'm trying to learn to work on old cars, and he's sort of adopted me.

And he provided Reiley with her first car. The exterior needs paint, but the interior is excellent. And it runs well....for now. $2800. Not bad, huh?


1962 Oldsmobile F85 - Reiley and I are in love with her.

When I was a young man, I had no interest in how cars worked. My brother and father knew quite a bit about cars and used to fix our cars themselves. So when I told them that my plan is to slowly restore this car with Reiley, doing most of the work myself, they were polite, but I'm sure they laughed the minute they hung up the phone.

Well, yesterday I was baptized by fire. The F85 needed a new starter, or more likely a new solenoid, which (I was told) is attached to the starter. I bought the solenoid for about $30, jacked up the car, crawled underneath, and got to work. The plan was simple in theory: Take the starter off the car. Take the solenoid off the starter. Install new solenoid. Reinstall starter. All done.

Um, no. It was much harder than that. First, the starter and solenoid weigh about 20 pounds. So squeezing under the car and reaching up into the darkness and getting that baby off is no picnic. And the bolts had been on it since the late 70s. Second, the starter itself hangs over the top of the bolts, so you can't use a socket. Had to do it old school, with a box wrench. I was cursing the demons who designed this thing. Sheesh. How hard is it to make two bolts easily accessible? That's half the reason I was excited about this old car. You're supposed to be able to reach everything.

But I was determined. And before long I triumphantly emerged from beneath the car with the starter. Do you know how satisfying it is to go under your car, clang around, reach out for tools, cuss a bit, and then appear from beneath dragging a huge, blackened piece of machinery with you?

Grrrrrrrrrr. Manly. Felt good.


There she is. The solenoid is the canister attached to it.

By some miracle, I got the new solenoid attached and the whole thing back together. And...wait for it....she started right up!

Yeah!

Okay, there is some bad news. Replacing the solenoid did not fix the problem, which is that the starter only engages about half the time when you turn the key. This was one of those, "replace the cheap part and see if it works" things. I'm getting some advice, but I might be pulling that starter off again and replacing IT this time. We'll see.

Well, that's the news from here. I'm still trying to get my hands clean.

rlp

Oh, and look for more pictures and adventures as this project moves forward. The experiment: Can a bookish writer-type guy actually fix up an old car with his daughter? Stay tuned!

 

Submitted by rbarenblat on March 20, 2007 - 2:39pm.

I don't figure you have a lot of free time for reading, but you might enjoy "Truck," by my old friend John Jerome, may his memory be a blessing. It's nonfiction, written by a slightly crotchety writer (like me, in rural New England, though like me, he grew up in South Texas) who buys an old truck and spends a winter taking it apart and restoring it so it'll run in the spring. That's the idea, anyway. It's clean, spare, sometimes cranky prose; by turns serious and funny; and there's a lot of good musings about technology woven in there. Originally released in the 70s, I think -- I have a first edition which I found at a used-books store which I cherish. It's the first John Jerome book I ever read, and I love it still.

***
"Why write unless you praise the sacred places?" -- Richard Howard

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on March 20, 2007 - 5:26pm.

I read "Truck" years ago when I was contemplating a similar restoration project. It's a great book and if you've ever done any work on an old vehicle, there are wonderful moments of recognition, humor, and commiseration. I agree, it's a must read for rlp.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 3:20pm.

One tip on getting the hands clean. Saturate your hands with hand lotion a little while before you go work on the car. Vaseline Intensive care or the like works well. This helps keep the grease and oil from working their way into your skin. Just be sure to wait for the lotion to soak in or your tools will be slippery.

The car looks awesome. Better than anything I had growing up and I somehow still have fond memories of many of those cars.

*Anton

Submitted by revdlou on March 20, 2007 - 3:21pm.

Okay, may be a daft English question .... but what does mensch mean? Translate please!!!!

What a great project for you and your daughter to do together!

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 5:25pm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch

Submitted by revdlou on March 22, 2007 - 4:45am.

Thanks! Clearly should have concertrated more in Hebrew classes in college...... :0 (Wrong sort of Hebrew, I know!)

Submitted by Jonah on March 20, 2007 - 3:25pm.

Likewise, when you're done, regular dish washing liquid works a charm.
Jonah
http://jacsongs.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 4:20pm.

1. Sorry about the camera.
2. The car looks fantastic - good luck. It sounds like a huge time-eater, but because you're doing it with Reiley then it counts as family time!
3. You are going to let Reiley do some of the work, right?
4. "jacked up the car, crawled underneath" - please tell me you used axle stands.
5. Hand cleaning - can you get Swarfega in the US? Slimy green stuff full of abrasive particles - shifts anything.
6. Now I'm posting I might as well trump your solenoid story (at least for now) - my Dad had an 80s Lada (Russian tin box on wheels) and we had to unbolt the exhaust manifold in order to get access to the starter motor. But I'm sure you'll be able to better that pretty soon. (I assume that overnight you have become interested in conversations like this. If not, please make it clear, 'cos there will be more I suspect...)

- Dan

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 5:26pm.

Jack stands - YES.

Reiley will do the stuff she can and wants to do. She sanded the whole car already, so she's putting in her sweat equity.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 4:32pm.

Just another thought. Gordon, maybe you don't realise what a great example of living life to the full your "just stuff goin on" posts give. You don't seem to do things by halves in your family. You've given up your main source of income (as I understand it) so that you can do what you love (writing) (along with the other thing you love, that minister thing you do, which I understand you don't get paid for).

Now you're allowing - nay, rejoicing in - your 18-year-old daughter blowing a pile of cash on a car that could turn out to be a huge drain on time and/or money. What happened to teaching financial prudence?

I'm not sure what it is you have faith in (apart from your family - that's obvious), but you certainly have faith that something or someone is going to keep all this crazy stuff together. Good luck in all that you do, my friend.

- Dan

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 5:30pm.

Regarding me: I do get paid to be the pastor of our church. About half a salary. And I make a little money writing, though not as much as I made as a web designer. But we're doing okay.

My daughter is 18 and has two jobs. She's paying for the car, so she has a right to make this call. Certainly we know that there is a chance it will be a difficult car and maybe even a disaster. But it has a base value as a classic that isn't going to change. Worse case she unloads it later.

But on the other hand, something that we do together and might be a new love that we will share together. I mean, it's worth it. $2800 for a car. And it drives right now. She drives it to work.

Submitted by DSpitko on March 20, 2007 - 4:32pm.

RLP,

Soory about the camera. Bummer. Unfortunately, you either need a new starter or ... something worse.

Not sure why you started with the solenoid. If the starter was working, just not engaging, that meant the solenoid was fine. If you remember when you had the starter off, there was a gear at the end of the starter that went back into the engine. You either have stripped gears on the starter (just have to replace the starter) OR stripped gears on the fly wheel (which the starter engages when you turn the kay - and is a serious bear to replace) or something else is preventing the starter from properly engaging the flywheel (like some thing is bent - not good either.)

Good luck. I restored and worked on a 63 Valiant for years. Enjoyed the time until I started having children and going to night law school.

Dave

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on March 20, 2007 - 5:31pm.

Dave, my first car was a '61 Lancer, another great Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler product. Question - could rlp's problem be as simple (if there is such a thing) as a bad ignition switch or bad wiring?
This car should prove entertaining!

Submitted by DSpitko on March 21, 2007 - 7:25am.

225 slant six?

Submitted by Keith on March 23, 2007 - 8:55am.

OK, I was staying out of this because I still owe Jamie a thoughtful explanation on the CREDO thread, and I, uh, deleted the text file accidentally and spent way too much time last night downloading file-recovery programs and failing to get it back.

But I can't see "slant-six" and not say anything.

170-cu slant six, 1966 Plymouth Valiant that my grandfather bought new the day he was let go from a job. Blue. Six (six!) spare tires in the trunk. Magazines, newspapers, and linoleum tiles under the front seat cover to fill in the sag. Bleach bottle with a tube stuck into it where the washer reservoir used to be. I drove it to work. I drove it to my girl. I drove it to Alaska. I kept a screwdriver in the glovebox for shorting the solenoid. I replaced the carburetor three times, once along the side of the AlCan highway. I memorialized it in fiction.

The smell of coolant, rust, and grease; forehead sweat in a temperate summer breeze, the bite of the wrench and the red gash in dirty knuckle flesh...

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on March 25, 2007 - 12:22pm.

Oh, Keith, our Slant Six experiences were so much the same. I'm still smiling reading your description of the tile and bleach bottle. My '61 Lancer had no automatic choke as the thermostatic version of the choke had died some time prior. I kept a specially adapted metal rat tail comb in the glove box; during cold weather I would pop the hood, remove the air filter and set the choke plate with the comb - not too convenient, but no one would ever steal the car in the winter. The passenger side front window was Plexiglas - the door slammed after an argument with my then girlfriend (now my wife of 33 years). The driver's window was held in position by a plastic comb - combs seemed to play an important role with this car.
The best part was renting the car to guys I lived with during my first year at college. I lived in a fraternity house and several guys had no car; the guys with the "hot" cars didn't like to loan theirs out so I made beer money by renting the Lancer to desperate guys on dates. The downside was, I had to give them extensive lessons in starting the car and I had to pick them up if the car failed them. What a car - driving was much more adventuresome in the day.

Submitted by Keith on March 25, 2007 - 10:19pm.

The rear leaf springs went on mine, so on the advice of the grease monkeys where I pumped gas, I bought air shocks and spent months dinking around with various air pressures. I recall there actually was a setting that felt pretty stable, but it was much more fun to jack the rear end all the way up and feel much tougher and hipper than I actually was.

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on March 25, 2007 - 11:11pm.

I finally had to abandon the Lance when I realized the new battery I'd installed was worth more than the car and the chances of it transporting me the 300 miles to school were getting slimmer and slimmer. I replaced it with a Valiant that sufficed until I married into a Vega. Fortunately gainful employment allowed us to dump the Vega before the aluminum block engine totally disintegrated. Along the way I reverted to a 61 Corvair - another classic - as Ralph Nader pointed out "an accident waiting to happen" Cars these days aren't as much fun even if they are safer and more reliable. Funny, as I get older, reliable makes more sense.

Submitted by Keith on March 26, 2007 - 8:10am.

Okay, who else named their cars?

My Valiant was named Prince.

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on March 25, 2007 - 12:25pm.

170 I think. Not much top end but you could plow with it.

Submitted by Keith on March 25, 2007 - 10:17pm.

Runs forever while the rest of the car falls apart around it.

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 6:30pm.

started with the solenoid because Richard said to. I'm following what wisdom I can find. The gears on the starter looked good. What was happening is that the starter worked, but only sometimes would it engage. This lead Richard, I believe, to think that the solenoid - which he says causes the gears to engage at ignition, was worn and only working sometimes. When it does engage, it sounds great.

any suggestions out there?

Submitted by DSpitko on March 21, 2007 - 7:20am.

Let's try to drill this down. I used to be a night mechanic in a gas station ~ but that was decades ago. Just keep in mind that if you get 3 mechanics together, you will get 5 diagnosises, be it backyard mechanics or professionals. But this problem should be diagnosable.

If the starter begins to work as soon as you turn the key, and works 100% of the time until you stop turning the key, I would tend to rule out an electrical/battery problem. If it were an electrical/battery problem, there should be times that the starter does not work at all.

Let's explain more what a starter does to start a car. When you turn the key, the starter spins its gear, and extends the gear out to engage with the flywheel. The flywheel is a large gear attached to the drive shaft ... which is what operates the pistons, etc. The starter starts to spin, extends and engages the flywheel. The flywheel spins which causes the drive shaft to move. The fuel system delivers gas into the cylinders and the electical system of the car delivers a spark to the spark plugs and, viola, the engine starts.

So, if the starter is "whirring" 100% of the time but not engaging, either gears on the starter or flywheel are stripped OR (and I neglected to include this possibility in my earlier post ~ unlike Libby, I really did forget) the starter is failing to extend the starting gear consistently to engage with the flywheel.

Clearly, the next step is to replace the starter. You do not want to even think about replacing the flywheel. Plus, flywheel gears rarely break. My money is on the starter.

Be aware that there is a significant failure rate on rebuilt starters. Do not be surprised if you need to replace it often, or even the first replacement does not work. The alternative is to get a new starter from the manufacturer. Molto expensive though and might not even be available.

Dave

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 5:17pm.

Arrg I'm very jealous. I'm 18 and it seems like I'm never gonna get a car of my own.
-Mike

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 5:31pm.

Well, Reiley has two jobs. And this will cost her $150 a month for two years. That's pretty cheap transportation. The car and motor are simple, so I'm hoping that I can do most of the work, along with some friends of mine who are serious motor heads and can help me.

If you're willing to drive this kind of car, you could probably find a way to do this.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 5:34pm.

Two jobs plus high school?
Very impressive.

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 6:27pm.

Well, one of her jobs is a part of the work-coop program at the school. As a senior, she gets out at 2:30 to work that job until 6pm. The other job is sacking groceries one weekend day and maybe one evening.

Submitted by hughman on March 20, 2007 - 6:27pm.

LOVED LOVED LOVED talking to you, my brother, my friend, my other in this life.

the car is awesome.

can we meet again in heaven? we can fish and make bread and sit on the porch and talk about the clouds and all the shapes they make. eventually i will meet your family and we can have supper at the Table. bisquits and green beans. afterwards a beer or two on the porch and trade ideas about the sunset.

Submitted by rlp on March 20, 2007 - 6:30pm.

I'll be there!

Submitted by tom reindl on March 20, 2007 - 8:00pm.

Gordon,

The car looks just like something I would love to play with. The solenoid is sometimes the culprit in starter "mis-hits" (where you turn key, hear 'click', and ...nothing). Other times, it can be the starter itself, but often, it is something as simple as corrosion on a battery post or a short somewhere in the main wire to the starter.

If you get in the car and the dome light is out, it's not the starter. If you get in the car, and the dome light is on, then try turning on your headlights first, and with those on, turn the key to start the engine. If the headlights go out or become very dim quickly, it is a power problem, not a mechanical problem, which means your starter is fine. However, finding power problems can be as frustrating. Thankfully, older cars have far fewer wires and connections, so it might not be as bad as you think.

I'd check for corrosion on the battery terminal, or a loose connection on the terminal. I've had several instances where one would first assume it was the starter, only to find out it was a power problem. In fact, I've never actually had to replace any of my vehicle's starters; it always ended up being something else. (something much easier to reach and replace, too!)

When I tip a beer this Friday, I'll tip it to you and Reiley, and the car with no name. She has to name it, ya know.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 9:36pm.

g,
p soup here. missed you today! sorry about the camera.
i cannot help you with the car, but i applaud your carving out time to be with her. that's what'll linger, of course.
let's get together soon and conspire.

paul

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 20, 2007 - 11:40pm.

When cleaning his hands heavy duty grease and grime, my dad always used a gritty orange soap. I think it may have been this stuff http://www.neverseezproducts.com/fastorange.htm but I'm not entirely sure.

Of course some dirt never really comes out.

Rivikah

Submitted by Jenny Valent on March 21, 2007 - 4:31am.

LOL, if you get stuck, you can always call the "Car Talk" guys...I love listening to them, they make me laugh :)
About 10 years ago, we sunk $4,000 into a 1967 Mustang that was pristinely beautiful. In the end, however, it proved to be too much hassle as our only mode of transportation, but boy did we love that car! They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
The problem was that it kept having a lot of "little" things that needed fixing, and neither my husband nor I knew a thing about cars. For someone who can do the work, I suppose it becomes a "weekend project" at that point. I mean, the old cars are pretty simple to work on compared to the computer-ridden ones of today. So, if that's what you're looking for (and it sounds that way), then have fun, and your daughter will enjoy the head-turns and "cool car!" comments as she drives.
Look for "classic car" shows in your area to get advice from other classic car owners...it's quite a community.

"I have a photographic memory; just not same-day service."

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 21, 2007 - 5:21am.

Old cars rule!!!!

Props to Reilley for her sense of ultimate cool!

Best of luck with it -- it's a real beauty.

Submitted by If not me then who on March 21, 2007 - 10:05am.

Oh the girl has named her car. In honor of the year, she said she's calling it Jacklyn, or Jackie for short. I've listened to her excitment over several classic cars she "almost" got and I'm glad she finally has one. Unlike "B" who bought an old truck (against our advice) and did nothing to it for a year before selling it at a loss, I'm glad Reiley is actually working on her new best friend.

May they remain on speaking terms for many years to come.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 21, 2007 - 10:06am.

RLP, cardinal mistake. You probably put ALL of the parts back in. Would likely work better if you left a few out. That seems to be the rule for carburators and transmissions :)

John (long-time reader, and I finally got to meet you at Journey in Austin a couple weeks ago)

Submitted by bobbie on March 21, 2007 - 12:06pm.

That brings back memories! My first car was a 1964 Ford Falcon (it was a year older than I was!) What fun to redeem it together!

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 21, 2007 - 12:34pm.

RLP-
My first was a '65 Impala (in the late 70's). I still regret selling it. It ate the juice and we were in a gas crisis (remember having all the pumps changed to accomodate a dollar a gallon?). If I just could have kept it in a garage...
Hope Reiley enjoys it and the memories it will create.

Thom

Submitted by OldPoet on March 21, 2007 - 2:37pm.

I know zipsy about the car, but I did lose something my graphing calcluator the other week. I looked literally everywhere and concluded it had been stolen. I bought another one. I took out the trash from the laundry room (which only gathers lint and stuff) and Voila!, there is the other graphing calculator...in the trash. I had even looked in there, but didn't pick it up and shake it. It had fallen into the bottom and was cleverly disguised as lint. I blame Zelda, the cat, who likes to jump up on the washing machine and must have jiggled the calculator out of the school bag.

What I'm saying is to try the most ridiculous place or buy another one. You will surely find the old one then!

OldPoet
Submitted by Anonymous User on March 21, 2007 - 6:03pm.

Gordon,

Gojo for the hands. Available everywhere. Not hard on the skin.

If the starter motor whirs consistently, it's not anything electrical.

If the gear on the end of the starter shaft was not stripped, or even missing a tooth, the Bendix drive (which cause the gear on the starter to engage the gear on the edge of the flywheel) is the most likely culprit.

Befoe you go an buy a rebuilt starter, try this. On the Web, there will be sites you can easily google which will tell you which GM products (and which years) have the engine you have. They will all have the same starter. Call auto junkyards in your area and ask if the have a starter for any of those cars. If money is tight, tell them you are willing to take it off the car they have instead of paying them to do it. Take it home, clean the gear and the shaft and the drive unit with a rag dipped in gasoline (do I have to tell you not to put gasoline inside the starter motor or on the electrical terminals?) until you get all of the grime off. Put it on the ground under the car and connect it to the wires as if it was in place. Get another wire and touch it to the starter near where one of the mounting bolts go, and touch the other end to the engine near where the bolts go. Have Reiley turn the key while standing on the ground (because you are under the car and her weight might make it slip on the jackstands). Watch to see if it turns, and if the gear slides up the shaft until it comes to the end. If all of that happens, put it in the car. If it doesn't, take it back to the yard, tell them it doesn't work, and do they have another one.

I know, it's a lot of work. But it won't cost much. Back in the days when I was in her shoes, I restored my first (and second, and third) cars. Quickly learned how to trade my time, which I had plenty of, for my dollars, which I had few of.

Paid fifty dollars for my first car (1960 Galaxie) and seventy-five for my second (Dodge Dart, about a 62 or 63). Sorry I bought the Ford, should have kept the Dodge until it died totally. You just couldn't kill a Chrysler Slant Six.

P.S. Use the jackstands. They are a good investment, and considerably better for your family than hospital or cemetery visits.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 21, 2007 - 6:06pm.

P.S. Anonymous User with the Tappet brothers lesson was me, Chuck Nolan.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 22, 2007 - 7:15am.

I just wanted to say that this is a fantastic project you're undertaking. My dad and I restored an old Mustang together when I was younger. That year was the cement that bonded our relationship together. You'll never know how much your daughter will appreciate it years from now.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 22, 2007 - 7:37am.

Yes, GoJo is the stuff you need. It's kind of like Lava soap in liquid form (with an orange scent, no less).

Grrr - manly. Man, did you hit it right. I change the oil on our two Volkswagens (2000 Passat & 2007 Jetta) and there's just something about doing it that I enjoy. I'm hoping to pick up an old Beetle sometime in the next few years and do much of the same kind of stuff you'll be doing with this car.

Funny thing, though - on first glance I thought you'd gotten an old Plymouth Fury. You should name her Christine. :-)

RevScott

Submitted by harper on March 22, 2007 - 7:57am.

Now I am feeling all nostalgic about my first car... I was 17 years old, graduating from high school. The car was a '72 Cutlass Supreme, lighter green on the bottom, dark green on top. My dad picked it out for me. It had a big muscular 8 cylinder engine and it was a dream to drive. I won't talk about my speeding tickets. It survived 4 years of college but met an untimely demise when I went to grad school in upstate New York. I put more anti-freeze in but not enough,I guess. The Binghampton winter was too much and the block cracked. By that time I was too poor to fix it, but that's another story...

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 22, 2007 - 10:41am.

My folks had a '74 Cutlass that was just like you described. Did it have black vinyl seats? I remember burning my legs on the seats after church in the summer - the only place we parked the car in the sunlight.

revscott

Submitted by harper on March 22, 2007 - 1:14pm.

The seats were dark green, almost as bad as black. I lived in Montgomery, Alabama and then Birmingham during college, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Back in the day before we had those shields you stick on the dashboard to prevent burnt thigh syndrome. I did realize something after I posted before; if the block hadn't cracked I might never have married my husband. We were in a play together and he started giving me rides back and forth to rehearsals after the cutlass died. One thing led to another and here we are 25 years later. Was it an accident or divine providence?

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 22, 2007 - 8:31am.

I've never understood people that enjoyed working on cars. It's like enjoying living on the outskirts of Hell to me. Unfortunately, I grew up on the outskirts of Hell and worked on cars most of my life. I hated every second of it. Here's advice straight from Uncle Screwtape:

If it starts half the time, it might pay to figure out which half of the time it doesn't work. Does it fire when cold but not when hot or vice versa? Is there no rhyme or reason? What kind of sounds does it make when it doesn't start?

If it makes no sound, there's an electrical fault somewhere. If it whirs, the starter is turning but the solenoid isn't pushing the starting gear out. If it grinds, the teeth on the starter and gear aren't meshing.

Grinding is the most serious problem. Take a look at the teeth on the starting gear. You should be able to turn it by hand (you may have to push it out to the end of its travel before it will turn freely). One broken tooth is enough to cause an intermittant problem that will drive you crazy. Inspecting the flywheel is a major job by itself and I'd leave it for a pro after you rule out everything else.

Since you changed the solenoid, I won't spend much time on that. Chances are that the new one works or it wouldn't start at all.

If you aren't grinding gears, then I'd lay bets on an electrical connection problem. The easy way to test is to take out the starter and hook it to another car battery with jumper cables. It's almost as easy to simply replace the cables, though. They usually aren't that expensive. I'd also check the ground from the battery. If any connections are corroded, clean them with a paste made of baking soda and a bit of water. Then pour a Coke on it. You can scrub the remainder off with a soft wire brush.

If everything else fails, beat it with a hammer. It won't really fix anything, but you'll feel better. Until you have to fix the damage.

XT

Submitted by rlp on March 22, 2007 - 9:25am.

Wow, thanks everyone. I'll definitely print these out and use them.

Gojo - I have it, or the equivalent. Actually have had a tub for many years, and it's almost gone.

Jack stands - Have a pair, and am paranoid and frightened about the car falling on me, so I always use them. AND have wedges on both sides of one of the rear tires.

Submitted by Anonymous User on March 22, 2007 - 11:14am.

I love that you are doing the car project with your daughter. I used to love working with my dad in the garage, especially laying in the driveway under my car while he showed me how to do things. As a woman, it's empowering and gives us confidence to know such things and have relationships like that with our dads. So important!!

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 1, 2007 - 8:40pm.

Washing hands afterwards -- a nail brush may help once you've got most of it off, to get the nastiest last bits.

(Lava is hard on my skin, but if I need it, Lava + nail brush takes care of pretty much anything I ever get my hands into....)

- Julia