I Wonder Where This Is Going

April 12, 2007 - 9:26am

When I began Real Live Preacher, my great fear was that somehow my writing might harm our church. We were a small community. If a number of families left because of the perceived heresy or vulgarity of the pastor, that would hurt us. It hurts when friends leave the church. There is also a financial risk if you alienate people at a small church. If the budget is tight and three or four families leave, we would be in trouble. The leaders who deal with our budget would be stressed if we suddenly found it hard to pay the electric bill.

So that was scary.

I was also worried that fear would stifle my writing, convincing me to play it safe. Was I prepared to accept the consequences of looking deeply into my own heart and writing about what I found there? The anonymity of the early days gave me just enough courage to give it a try. When that anonymity fell apart, I cringed and waited, but somehow my world did not collapse and neither did the church. There were a few uncomfortable moments, but everyone was okay.

For a time, my blog and my church were in separate worlds. I never mentioned Real Live Preacher at church. It was common knowledge that I had a blog, but I didn’t talk about it on Sunday. If I felt like using the word fuck or expressing some honestly held but admittedly edgy theology at Real Live Preacher, I did. I knew people in my church read the blog, but I tried not to think about how they might react to my writing.

Someone once asked me what has causes the most controversy at Real Live Preacher. Without a doubt it is my occasional use of the word fuck. I don’t know why, but that word represents the crossing of some boundary of vulgarity that makes a lot of people very uncomfortable. I don’t like to use that word, and I don’t use it very often. I always try to find some other way to express myself, but sometimes – just sometimes – only the word fuck will do.

Whenever I use that word I think about my mother-in-law, who reads my blog now. I love her, and I know she loves me. That word bothers her; it probably even hurts her to read it because she wonders what kind of a man would use that sort of language. And I am married to her daughter and the father of her grandchildren, so she cares what kind of man I am. You don’t want to write things that hurt or trouble people who love you unless it is truly necessary. I hate having to choose between writing something with all the power and punch that I feel it deserves and troubling my mother-in-law. But that is the choice I often face.

It helped me to think of the two parts of my life as existing in separate worlds. It was like a grand game of denial. Swallow hard and write. Then don’t talk about it at church or with your mother-in-law. I was happy to keep those worlds apart. If you look at the banner of my blog, the little man in the robe is me, trying to keep two worlds from colliding.

Then something interesting began happening. Occasionally someone would show up at our church because of Real Live Preacher. I remember the first time it happened. A handful of “Real Live Preacher readers,” as they described themselves, drove down from Austin one Sunday morning. The writer in me was flattered, but it was also a little frightening. Still, it’s not as though we can put a sign on our door that says, “Everyone is welcome EXCEPT those who read Gordon’s blog.”

As the months went by, more people came to our church because they had read Real Live Preacher. It became a fairly common occurrence. Some of them wanted to see something that I had written about, like George's rock, or the big cedar tree behind the church. I was a little uncomfortable with this, but nothing bad happened. I got used to it and stopped worrying about it. So what if people come to our church and want to look at a tree or something. Why should I care?

Things began accelerating in December of last year. One Sunday we had nine visiting families. At least half of them found out about our church through my blog. A few of these families have now joined the church, and a couple of others will probably do so before long. For years I put out 70 chairs each Sunday, but now I have to put out 100, which is all we have. We have some folding chairs in case we need them, but yes, we’re out of chairs. I guess we’ll have to buy some more.

I’ve been watching these developments carefully, pondering them and asking myself what all of it means. I’ve decided it doesn’t mean much. People show up at church for all sorts of reasons. How they got there really isn’t that important.

I have noticed something though. I don’t know if it is good or bad, and it really doesn’t matter since I can’t control it anyway. Real Live Preacher may have become a kind of filter for our church. Some church people put a lot of stock in the beliefs, public presence, and life of their pastor. If someone is uncomfortable with either the theology or the occasionally stark honesty of Real Live Preacher, they might not come to our church at all. Or if they come, they might not stay. On the other hand, here are these people who are coming specifically because they like the theology and stark honesty of RLP.

If indeed Real Live Preacher has become a filter for our church, then my blog will change the nature of Covenant Baptist Church over time. I don't want that kind of power. The only thing that makes this situation even palatable is that I never asked for this, and there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.

Worlds are colliding, and there is nothing I can do. The world of my writing and the world of my church have ground together slowly, like one galaxy passing through another. This may be good news, bad news, or just plain news, but stopping the collision is definitely out of my hands at this point.

Whaddya gonna do?

Recently I had lunch with a visiting family after church. Their son told them about Real Live Preacher, and they began reading it. Months went by, and they decided to show up on a Sunday morning. Lunch was enjoyable. They seem like the sort of people who need to find us. I noticed how relaxed I was with then, chatting about our church or Real Live Preacher, almost as if there was no longer any boundary between my writing and my life as a pastor.

Good thing? Bad thing? Just a thing?

I don’t know. What does it matter? It’s happening, and as usual, I feel that I am just on for the ride.

Who knows where this is going?

 

Rlp

 

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 9:46am.

I'm blogging anonymously, too.... with a real fear of where it will take me if I should be revealed. Also, I am not sure how to reveal myself when I finally decide it's right. There's just so much stark reality that I don't think my church or denomination would accept. I'm afraid I'd be the one nailed to the cross. The voice in me needs an outlet- apparently a public one--because I love blogging.

Thanks for this piece. Are there more in your archive about how the 'reveal' happened?

orangeblossoms
http://www.allthings2allpeople.blogspot.com

Submitted by rlp on April 12, 2007 - 9:59am.

Yeah, a few. Believe it or not, I have trouble remembering everything that is in there. I ran some searches and found some stuff. Here is the story of how the first person in my church found me:

http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/99

And here is a follow-up to that:

http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/101

and another:

http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/325

I remember writing about deciding whether or not to drop the anonymity. Here are those:

http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/244
http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/245
http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/248

And here is the day I revealed my name. This was a big moment for me:

http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/335

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 5:58pm.

Thanks.

orangeblossoms

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 10:27am.

Gordo -

I don't post too often but I wanted to throw this out there.

I think all is cool until people expect you to be the same Gordo on RLP as in church. I'm not saying that you're aren't as genuine on Sundays as you are here. But, as I understand it from talking with a bunch of my minister buddies, the minister has to put on a high-wire balancing act on Sundays (or anytime they're at church). Sometimes you have to wear the mask. I think you've written about this before. It's a reality of any ministry. It's the whole if-I-put-on-my-real-face-at-church-then-people-will-see-me-for-who-I-am bit and I've got to protect them from that.
I'm just saying, this is more about them than you. If more members would understand that they can't set the bar so high on their paid staff. we're human, for christ sakes. seriously.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 10:34am.

Suppose that instead of people coming to your church because they had read your blog, that they were folks you had met at the monthly brunch for model railroad enthusiasts, or Boy Scouts work day, or over coffee at a local diner. There would still be the collision of worlds you describe, and they'd be people interested in your congregation because of some rapport they perceived with you, rightly or wrongly. Why should it be any worse that they came on account of this column?

Sure, neither the venues I use in my examples, nor this place, are meant as recruiting or conversion opportunities, but take the blessing when it arrives. People "church shop" for all kinds of reasons, but I think that one of the two core reasons why they come back is the pastor. (The other is the congregation. Doctrine not so much.) And this blog gives you a chance to present yourself as a man of thoughtfulness and integrity, a fallible person conscientiously pursuing the right thing, which would be more important to me in a pastor than preaching or salesmanship.

May you always have the problem of needing more chairs.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 10:35am.

be yourself in both worlds. offering anything less is inauthentic. real live preacher and real live gordon... they ARE the same, aren't they? :)

Submitted by jeremyca on April 12, 2007 - 10:39am.

Worlds colliding. Everyone at university knows I blog. My profs and my friends, and I am also on the university Blog system and also on a special religious writers list. And I am graduating in a few weeks.

I blog, and I want to work. I have had several people approach me about starting my own church, "fancy that!" Telling me that because of my writing they think I'd make a great minister, who knew!

If people show up because you write, then your God inspired writing have brought you more souls, take care of them. Minister to them and love them just because you can, because God commands it of you.

If you sit and worry about why people show up, you'll waste valuable time to be an effective leader. The same principle, who do people come to meetings some days, and not others? I used to put out 40 chairs now I put out 70!! Some weeks we fill all the chairs, sometimes we only fill half. But We have a meeting despite the numbers in the room.

So gratitude is my thought for you. So what if people want to see the cedar tree or the rock. Minister to them just because God sent them to you. Maybe they will stay and maybe they won't, but while you have them, you should do your best to feed their souls.

No stress, no worries, no regrets... Just do it!!

Because you are a minister of God and that is your calling as the Real Live Preacher or as a Baptist Minister in a little church that seems to be going places. You should be proud of your work. I try not to swear on my blog too since it shakes people up, sometimes I just have to because the text warrants a "BIG expletive" you know what if you worry about every word you write because of the feelings of some, then you will begin to limit your writing because you are PEOPLE PLEASING, which never serves well. People Pleasing SUCKS... don't do it.

Be who you are in your greatness, in your depression, with your flaws and all. That's why we love you because you are honest. Stay that way and minister to God's people. We respect you and admire you.

Don't limit the preachers reach by your fears and insecurities. I'm sure that Paul was insecure about his journey as a minister, but he kept going. So should you... in any case. We can always help you buy more chairs. If you are helping souls in your community then Do that.

Find your Passion - DO IT - Money will follow.

Cheerio - Jeremy

Submitted by Keith on April 12, 2007 - 10:44am.

So I was in the shower, mulling this, and your last post, and the one before that, and how it all touches on things that have nothing to do exclusively with the preachering profession--integration vs. compartmentalization, openness vs. secrecy, online personae vs. real life, which also made me think of front porches talking to each other in the light vs. basements talking to each other underground, though having seen GHOST HOUSE semi-recently, the porches and basements had cartoon eyeballs--and trying to pick my way toward seeing whether I had anything useful to say, though suspecting not, and what popped into my head from an oblique angle was "Failure is how you know you're taking enough risks."

So that's what I'm posting.

Submitted by xyp on April 12, 2007 - 11:21am.

it's been a wonderful ride.....if i lived in your area...i'd be there in a heartbeat.

Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 11:29am.

If I were closer to your church, I would be visiting. Your writings have been inspirational, and healing, and wonderful. Thank you for sharing them with us.

I've gone through a similar struggle. I keep two public blogs, one which is my "safe" blog, and another detailing my healing journey. I've thought about keeping the journey blog private, or at least friends-only, and then decided I was tired of trying to hide my journey. Although it's hardly a popular blog, maybe at some point somebody will be guided there who needs to read it. I keep a separation between the two blogs; in fact, I've only mentioned the journey blog once, as a point of interest, in the "safe" blog.

Submitted by Pascale Soleil on April 12, 2007 - 12:50pm.

How I remember the conversations around anonymity...

These days, I keep two blogs. One I talk about God in (pseudonymously), the other, not. Now I wonder whether, should I seek ordination, the god-blog will come back to haunt me.

Pascale's Wager

Submitted by Jenny Valent on April 12, 2007 - 1:53pm.

Why is it always the mother-in-laws? ;)
Thanks for sharing...my mother-in-law has had issues with my MySpace blogs and other things on more than one occasion. You said:

You don’t want to write things that hurt or trouble people who love you unless it is truly necessary. I hate having to choose between writing something with all the power and punch that I feel it deserves and troubling my mother-in-law. But that is the choice I often face.

Thank you for that.
Yes, I'm sure that there are many, like myself, who would say that if they were in the area, they'd come to your church. However, I must say that, although people may initially come to see and hear you, they are more apt to stay for the congregation as a whole. Knowing that one is in a body that embraces diversity, with open minds and seeking hearts, is what will hold a person in the long run.

RLP may be the initial draw...but the fact that others are drawn, congregating together into a community of like minds (diverse like minds...is that contradictory?) is what the staying power consists of. Your blogs are simply the words that many wish to add an amen to. Ultimately, your words are not yours, but they belong to many.

http://www.myspace.com/ashvajenny

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 2:17pm.

OMG!!!
I think I got a shout out on REAL LIVE PREACHER!!!!
;-)

Ben (the son)

Submitted by rlp on April 12, 2007 - 3:32pm.

Yes Ben, that was your parents I was refering to in the meal after church. Sorry we missed you.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 4:41pm.

I hope that we can do it again sometime before I leave for college. Or when I come home to visit.

Submitted by If not me then who on April 12, 2007 - 3:21pm.

RLP, do you not remember how I "found" Covenant? It was your story of a decorated tree in the middle of no where that was mistakenly delivered to my house by the mailman. Oh you weren't RLP back then but your writing still caused thought. You should probably face it that if you wrote and placed your stories in bottles to be tossed upon the seas, those writings (once found) would touch hearts still.

As for your perception of dual personalities, who doesn't behave differently in different situations. When I'm at work in the field, I'm a little more tomboy than when I'm in the corporate office meeting with executives. I am "real" in both those places and you know what? I don't have to (for the most part) surpress or even think about how I act or what I say. I am just different in different places.

Submitted by rlp on April 12, 2007 - 3:35pm.

I know who this is, and I think I remember that we sent out a newsletter to the neighborhood back in what, 1995? As far as what I wrote, I have no memory of it. Christmas tree? hmm.

;-)

Submitted by OldPoet on April 13, 2007 - 11:58am.

I remember the newletter about the children and the pancakes. It had gone out before we came in '98, but there were some left.

You were not the draw for us. We found the church (CBF affiliated) on the website before we moved here, as you know. What I may not have told you is that you look freakishly like my uncle, the NOT GOOD one. I took one look at you at the end of the aisle in the "mushroom church" and damn near bolted. I stayed because of the people. Still do.

PS to INMTW, I love you.

OldPoet
Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 3:26pm.

Gordon, I have attended a small church about the same size as yours, for about 2 1/2 years now. I love it dearly. I had searched for years for a church led by a pastor who was REAL. Passionately real in his teaching. Without guile in his living. A man of God who is non-religious. A person, with whom I also can be very Real.

I think this is a growing tide in the Body of Christ. Reality. Being Real. And being Christ Followers at the same time.

This is the flavor you give off in your writing. That is why yours is one of the few blogs that I try never to miss.

Thank you.

Marcia
Simi Valley, CA

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 4:06pm.

I suppose that's a fine attitude, not one I could abide by though. I do expect the Shepherd to "lead" not "go along for the ride." I also expect Shepherds to chase after the lost sheep, not merely replace them with more chairs.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 5:26pm.

right...except for that the Shepherd who leads, who chases after the lost sheep, isn't your pastor. It's Christ. Confusing the two of those is bad for the pastor and bad for the church.

Submitted by rlp on April 12, 2007 - 7:14pm.

The IP address of the person who left this comment is interesting to me. I'll just leave it at that.

Who knows what you mean when you say lead? People are always talking about wanting someone to lead, but there are about a million ideas of what that would mean. If by lead you mean map out the gospel and the direction of the church and then lead in an autocratic way, there are plenty of churches out there who have that kind of pastor. You shouldn't have much trouble finding one. You're in a big city.

The idea of running after lost sheep as you describe it is lost on me. I know the gospel parable about the lost sheep and Christ rejoicing when one is found. But I can't imagine what a pastor's life would be like if he or she spent his or her time running after people who are already Christians but have left a particular church for one reason or another.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 3:12am.

We are all Shepherds, that is the calling of Christ.

Leading is spelled out rather clearly in scripture, along with the qualities God requires of those leaders.

"The idea of running after lost sheep...is lost on me"?

I'll pray you spend some more time considering that statement, and less time tracking down IP addresses.

love,

Pepe

Submitted by Anonymous User (not verified) on April 13, 2007 - 5:00pm.

[comment removed by rlp]

I felt the need to remove this comment in order to stop what seemed to be a destructive and hurtful thread. Pepe and I have emailed privately. Let's just leave it at that.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 9:32pm.

I'm pretty sure that "Going along for the ride" refers to going along with what the Spriit of God is at work doing.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 7:57pm.

As others have said so much better than I can, your writing, and honesty and willingness to lay it out there is EXACTLY why I would visit your church if I lived in your area. I think I'd enjoy worship with you.

A "real" preacher (no pun intended on the R in RLP) is probably the one thing I've wanted to see my entire christian life - which admittedly hasn't been that long. Preachers who are willing to drop the facade are in short, short supply.

Bill

Submitted by Val on April 12, 2007 - 8:15pm.

I envy those who can simply get in their cars and drive to hear you preach. Nothing else in the world has ever made me want to leave my home town, as your blog has.

If only your church were located in the the San Francisco Bay Area, you'd need one hundred and one chairs.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 12, 2007 - 8:26pm.

Geez, ain't it annoying when God up and usurps all our best laid plans. Then makes it worse by callin' attention to what we just want to be doing in the privacy of our keyboard! It surely toasts my muffins, oh yes.

Once knew an interesting lady in Covenant Players who turned her mother's opinion around regarding the word "fuck". She had a riveting description of how it mimicked the sound of a foot, ankle deep in mud, coming up for air. And had an unarguably compelling list of places that only that word would do. Wish I could remember them for you.

Presbyterian Gal

Submitted by OldPoet on April 13, 2007 - 12:06pm.

PG, I wager it was someone who has come up from the mud who found such a lovely analogy for the word. From now on, when I say it, I will squeeze my cheeks in and let my teeth bounce off my bottom lip to mimic the sound of that foot. Good one.

OldPoet
Submitted by Anonymous User on April 18, 2007 - 4:05am.

Tony Campolo used the word in the 80's when he said that hundreds of people had gone to hell in during the time of this service and most of you couldn't give a fuck. And most of you are more upset that I said the word fuck in church than hundreds have gone to hell.

God measures the heart, man. Your blog is bigger than you think your church is...

Submitted by KQ on April 12, 2007 - 9:32pm.

Hi Gordon,

This causes me to think about my church's journey. We (mainline Presbyterians) discovered a few years back that though we need a pastor's leadership and guidance, we really do want the congregation, not the pastor, to be the defining force of our church. And we have made decisions based on that ever since -- hopefully, they are good ones. So your comments cause me to ask, "what if my pastor had a blog? What if what s/he wrote was contrary to what I believe, or was what the congregation found controversial?

Interesting fodder.

On another note, the word fuck is not one that crosses my mind or lips, ever. But I do admit to its limited usefulness in society. A friend tells this story: He was riding in the car with his little boy, and the youngster saw some cows along the side of the road. The boy cried out, "look at all those fuckers!" My friend, astonished, said "where on earth did you learn such a word?" The little boy's reply: "Oh, Teacher told us they were heifers, but we all knew what she meant."

Thanks... can't think of too many places where I might be able to share that!

peace, KQ

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 12:02am.

Woohoo, this is a real question isn't it. I write romance. I've had nice inspirational novellas published with By Grace Publishing and warm short stories in the Cup of Comfort books, both under the name of Lyndell King. But I also write much grittier romantic suspense under Babe King.

Currently I'm renewing my website and decided to include the sweet writing as an "alter ego" on my Babe King site. Maybe that should be altar ego- I dunno :-) Anyway, I do wonder what will come of it. Will I offend my sweet readers with the grittier stuff? Will I turn up my gritty readers with the sweet stuff? It's so hard that God created us as such complex creatures and yet author branding demands we be unidirectional, not to mention society likes to fit us in comfortable boxes. Or uncomfortable, as the case may be.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that your post was timely, and I do thank you for your honesty. I battle with the same dichotomy. If you find the answer, do let me know.

Babe King

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 1:55am.

I don't often post, but this note stirred a deep uneasiness in my soul, since I have a blogging life and a working life that I try to keep firmly apart.

It made me think about how much I fear having the people I encounter in daily life know what I am really like and who I really am.

As long as we can maintain that public face, being rejected isn't so hurtful---it's being rejected on our merits that really stings, particularly when it's people we've known for a long time who say, "I thought you were different."

I wouldn't worry too much in your place about the "filtering" aspect. Churches really are to some extent an emanation of the character of the presiding minister, aren't they? That's been true---hasn't it?---right back to the days of Paul and James.

Or, to put it another way, people seek the master they think they need. At least the people who seek you out because they know who you really are are certain to be members of your true church or tribe. And perhaps the others will come around.

Submitted by Damozel on April 13, 2007 - 2:00am.

I didn't intend to be anonymous this time (in the previous note; I just forgot to log in). I've really appreciated the insights I've gained from this site and that this blog is a blessing that allows you to share your gifts with an enormous, ever-expanding audience. That is God at work, right there. It must be.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 3:40am.

Gordon
Don't be affraid of your worlds colliding. You are both a writer, and a preacher - to have these two aspects of your personality join together in this way can only make you more of a whole person. And God uses all sorts of means to draw people to Him and to His body... if He uses your blog to draw people into your community, that can only be good, right?
Be blessed,

andy
andymoore.wordpress.com

Submitted by casey rousseau on April 13, 2007 - 5:38am.

Gordon,
If what I've read about the way different size congregations operate, you're likely to have as much if not more stress related to the stress of moving from an intimate "Family" sized church to one that is centered around the pastor. Let me know if you'd like some titles to look at if you aren't familiar with the works in this area.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 6:47am.

Hummm . .. worlds colliding . . .?
Or what was once scattered coming back together?
As another pastor, I think what you are talking about is integrity. All of one cloth. (The opposite of which, by the way, is dis-integrate.)
You are doing - very publically -- what some of the rest of us have also done and discovered to be far more healthy: being who you are and not who folks expect you to be.
After all, God called you, Gordon, to be a minister. Called you by name. Because God needed ALL of who you are to do God's work.
God saw and knew your heart. Nothing is hidden from God.
Who you are is good enough for God and needed by the church.
(I know I am inspired and moved by your writing. And I know I am not alone.)
By being 'Real" one becomes more 'a-live' and gives others the same permission. REAL LiVE Preacher -- Real Live People: Human, imperfect, earthy, painfully honest about everything. How the world needs that!
I thank God for you and for your ministry -- it is the SAME ministry --whether it is the blog, the pulpit, the church picnic, your parenting of your kids, your love expressed to your wife --you share God's grace with others.
I get it.
Blessings, Susan

Submitted by Wondering Pastor on April 13, 2007 - 9:01am.

This is why I read this blog - you not only write interesting essays, you lay out, for all to see, the profound questions we live in, as ministers and people of faith.
Living authentically, all the time, is our quest and my experience remains it is likely impossible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't remain on the journey. Too often our fears get in the way and we compromise our integrity for what we perceive as the greater good. I personally struggle with this. I know Jesus told us to 'fear not' - I also know the greater good sometimes requires me to temper my words or actions - or at least that's how I rationalize it.

If your authenticity pulls people to Christ or even the consideration of a life with Christ, then you've honored your calling. If your authenticity causes people to seek Christ elsewhere, you've honored your calling - they are now thinking critically about their faith. If your authenticity causes people to run from Christ, then perhaps you should chase those lost sheep - at the least to understand how you have dishonored your calling and how they can be brought back to the fold. (note: these remarks are not directed exclusively to you but to all of us who are called to minister)

Put out more chairs and pray they are filled with seekers who grow to love Jesus Christ and the church that loves them back. And keep posing the questions.

Shalom

Submitted by Matt Sturges on April 13, 2007 - 9:37am.

I'll break from the pack and say that I think you raise some valid concerns. I mean, I'm sure it will all turn out fine in the end, though probably nothing like you thought it would. But I think it's important that you not candy-coat the effect this has on your church and your life.

I think I know what's bothering you, and it goes something like this. There's this role that you have that's Real Live Preacher, and I know you sometimes feel overshadowed by that persona -- as Cary Grant famously said, "I wish I was Cary Grant." RLP's job is to inspire, provoke, challenge and be brutally honest. The problem is, you have another public role, which is as the minister of a church. You don't act the same in the pulpit as you do online, just as you don't act the same at the dinner table as you do in a job interview. RLP and Pastor Gordon are two different facets of the same person. Still the same guy, but functioning in rather different roles. I wouldn't want my pastor to start a sermon with, "Hey, I noticed Bob over there was picking his nose during the Lord's Prayer. What's up with that?"

I guess what I'm saying is that I think it's okay and very healthy to acknowledge that distinction and be wary of it. It's perfectly authentic to go on being Gordon at church and RLP online. At least I think so. But I am notoriously shifty...

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 10:10am.

You're a media preacher. Oy vey. :-)

Just don't build a cathedral with a drive-in chapel.

Randolph

Submitted by Saint Margaret on April 13, 2007 - 6:24pm.

But yield who will to their separation,
My object in living is to unite
My avocation and my vocation
As my two eyes make one in sight.
Only where love and need are one,
And the work is play for mortal stakes,
Is the deed ever really done
For Heaven and the future's sakes.

- Robert Frost

I first encountered this poem in a Madeleine L'Engle book, and I thought of it when reading your thoughts.
I've been reading you for months (first your book, sent to me by my best friend, whose father you stayed with in Syracuse; then this blog), but this is the first time I thought my comment might be of any use. I think your deed is being done for Heaven and the future's sakes, Gordon.

Submitted by Pensieve on April 13, 2007 - 8:27pm.

You're a self-righteous, judgmental prick? WHAT??? Said like a true anonymous commentor.

All I could think was sometimes you take yourself too seriously, sometimes not nearly serious enough. Which is just about right.

Oh, yeah, and world's colliding. George Costanza. BIG Seinfeld fan. Personally, I respect a guy who uses an appropriately applied f-bomb. Even a preacha ;)

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 13, 2007 - 10:55pm.

Hey. This is that guy that talked his friends into driving down from Austin to check out your church. It really took me by surprise that we were the first outsiders to cross that line, but I'm glad we did, and that others have also come. I like both RLP and Gordon. I admire your courage, honesty and faithful service to your communities - both local and online. I sincerely hope that the challenge of integrating these two world stretches you and deepens your walk with God.

Stephen

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 14, 2007 - 6:52am.

Hey reallivepreacher. i identify!! you might check out my post for evidence of a fellow-soldier. blessings! http://nakedpastor.com

Submitted by txredd on April 14, 2007 - 9:35am.

I've come to believe that "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" means (or includes) embracing the entire truth of the world and the true nature of yourself and the people around you, including the fact that your son-in-law is sometimes vulgar. "Love your neighbor as yourself" means, among other things, tempering your language when you are with your mother-in-law, even if that language is a real and true expression of yourself.

The tension between these two ideals, as between Pastor Gordon and the Real Live Preacher, is what makes life so wondrous and challenging and worthwhile.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 14, 2007 - 5:21pm.

Gordon:

You've had a tough time with Depression, as do a lot of people (my wife included). By all means stay on the medication, if that is what you need.

I feel compelled to remind you that medication alone does not bring a cure for this ailment. Often, this challenge has a spiritual root that permits or enemy, Satan, access to our emotional selves.

The key to lasting victory lies in knowing that our Creator has granted us a new identity as believers in His Son. We have been given authority over the enemy and his cohorts, for we have been seated, in Christ, at the right hand of God the Father--FAR ABOVE all authorities and powers on the earth.

The outcome of this invisible war has never been in doubt. God created Lucifer to serve him. Lucifer decided to take a different path, and he will pay for his rebellion.

While I do not believe that a "Christian" can be possessed by evil spirits, Satan and his demonic thugs want nothing more than to make us ineffective in reaching our neighbors with the good news of Christ, by keeping us tied in knots emotionally.

There are several good resources to help us gain the victory over spiritual oppression. Among these are:

  • Freedom in Christ Ministries (Neil Anderson)
  • Lighthouse Ministries (Christian Missionary Alliance)
  • Christian Counsellors trained in Theophostics (light of God)
  • ...among many others

It is interesting that in Jesus' earthly ministry, he never "negotiated" with the enemy. Always, His response was "IT IS WRITTEN...", and He commanded the Will of God be released. So should it be with us, as believers.

Some may challenge the truth of what I have said here. That is not my concern. The Lord does not hold me responsible for the reactions of others, only my own actions. I believe, with all that is within me, that I needed to point troubled souls, who read your Blog, to the power of Christ and help them in any way I can.

I am not a counsellor, so I cannot set up a mental health "practice." Nevertheless, if you need other resources, you may contact me, and I will point as many as I can to the Lord and His resources in this earth. (mailto::russw@russwickstrom.com)

Submitted by RevBetsy on April 14, 2007 - 11:21pm.

Thank you for this message.

I am totally fed up with hearing about Imus and/or Anna Nichole Smith et al, But tonight I received in an email from my 32 year old son a petition to CBS and NBC asking that Don Imus be rehired. But it was Adam's email that struck me most. It said:

Mom,
I just wanted to forward this petition to you in case you were interested in signing it. No pressure. It probably won't do any good anyway. It's just that the larger issue at hand is an important one to me.
I also can see why it might be touchy for a person in your position to have your name on something like this, so please take that into account when making your decision. Like I said, it most likely will not accomplish anything, and I wouldn't want you to do this for me if it might affect you in a negative way.

I love that kid!

But after reading the petition I signed it with comment. I decided that even I get to decide what's right for me, and if my paritioners get upset, I'm very sorry.

Your words helped because I'm glad I'm not the only one who has such tensions. Thank you.

Submitted by tom reindl on April 16, 2007 - 5:32am.

"Worlds are colliding"

Sort of reminds me of a Seinfeld episode, where "independent George" was losing his world, as "relationship George" moved in to every area of his life. His great fear was that "independent George" would cease to exist.

Good post Gordon.

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 16, 2007 - 3:30pm.

RLP, with you're writing, you have reached a huge audience that you would never have reached otherwise, because you are being completely honest. My wife and I were talking about it the other night, and it's really sad that we feel like we have to put on our "church face." The world sees us doing this, and they call us on it, saying we're hypocrites. The sad part is, we're only interested in fooling each other. Then we have "evangelists" who come in, tell exactly who they were, and what they had done, and they draw people in. The truth is, IMHO, the church is going to have to become more honest if it is ever going to be relevant. I personally believe that an AA meeting would be a better model for a church service than the stuff we have going on today.

Submitted by Little Green Friend on April 16, 2007 - 3:32pm.

Ok...I didn't mean to comment anonymously, and I DEFINITELY meant to say your instead of you're.

If "He" isn't in the eschatology, it's just scatology.

Submitted by producer girl on April 17, 2007 - 6:10am.

As long as both Gordons save their belly button lint and give it away at Christmas. I just need a little integrity when it comes to the belly button lint. :)

Submitted by Anonymous User on April 17, 2007 - 3:29pm.

you have to consider how daunting it is if you're looking for a congregation and are going in cold so to speak. What is the pastor like really, beyond whether or not s/he is a good preacher? what is the congregation like within and without the circle of worship?

so there's certainly exposure of your inner self, more than comes across from the pulpit or large group situations. but that might be safer or more inviting to new and curious congregants. tough on you, of course, but probably really good for them.

Lise in NJ