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 <title>Foy Valentine  1923-2006</title>
 <link>http://www.reallivepreacher.com/rlparchive/node/664</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;A hero of mine died last week. I wept openly 
when I read about it, though I only met him in person a couple of times. His 
name was Foy Valentine. And yes, that is where I got the name of my fictional 
character, Foy Davis, though my character bears no resemblance to Foy Valentine 
in personality. No, 
it&#039;s only a name that they share. I intended it to be a private tribute to 
someone whose life has meant much to me. I had planned to write a story about 
how Foy got his name. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll eventually get around to that, but since the 
real Foy has died, it seems right to tell you about him now.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Foy Valentine was a Christian first, and a 
Baptist kind of Christian only second. A lot of people have a hard time keeping 
that sort of thing in its proper order. Foy did not. He was a Christian ethicist 
who worked for the Southern Baptist Convention years ago. Foy&#039;s job was to speak 
the truth to those in power. And that he did. He received a lot of hate mail 
over the years from Baptists whose world was not large enough to hold truth. And 
he was labeled many things: A liberal, a radical, a nigger lover, a 
troublemaker.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;As a young seminarian, I &amp;quot;met&amp;quot; Foy Valentine 
while researching Southern Baptist responses to the bombing of a Baptist church 
in Birmingham in 1963. Four Baptist children were killed in that blast. Four 
children whose skin was a dark color. I was shocked and dismayed to find 
that Southern Baptist newspapers throughout the South had nothing whatever to 
say about it. Not a mention.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;But in my research I found the voice of one crying in the 
wilderness of the sins of my own people. It was a notation in the official 
record of the Southern 
Baptist Convention annual meeting of 1968. The record indicates that a man named 
Foy Valentine stood up on the convention floor and pleaded for his brothers and 
sisters in Christ to confess the sin of our racism and embrace people of all 
colors. He was the same age then that I am now. He was in his 40s and employed 
by those very Baptists to whom he spoke on that day. He had a wife and children 
and a lot to lose.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Apparently, truth meant more to Foy than 
comfort and security.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;His remarks were not well received, to say the 
least. It would be another twenty years before the Southern Baptist Convention 
would confess that particular sin.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;When I first read about Foy Valentine&#039;s 
courageous stance, I made a 
personal commitment that was so brash and bold that I am a little embarrassed to 
write about it here. I vowed that if I ever found myself in a similar situation, 
where being faithful to Christ would cost me dearly, I would follow in Foy&#039;s 
footsteps.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;I fear that I will not be able to live up to 
Foy&#039;s strong example, and that fear haunts me always. What will it profit me if 
I gain the whole world, but lose my soul? But I hope that I am strong enough, 
because I would like my grandchildren to think about me in the same way that I think 
about him.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Thank you for the witness of your life and 
words, Foy. History has shown that you were on the right side of your 
generation&#039;s most important issue. May God grant us the courage to stand on the 
side of righteousness in our time as well.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; src=&quot;/images/graveyard.gif&quot; width=&quot;371&quot; height=&quot;156&quot;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;rlp&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.christianethicstoday.com/FoyDanValentine/Foy_Valentine_Tributes_Joe_Trull.htm&quot;&gt;
&lt;font color=&quot;#5C699C&quot;&gt;Tribute to Foy Valentine&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by the editor of
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.christianethicstoday.com&quot;&gt;
&lt;font color=&quot;#5C699C&quot;&gt;Christian Ethics Today&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the journal that Foy 
Founded.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-valentineob_10met.ART.State.Edition2.e404571.html&quot;&gt;
&lt;font color=&quot;#5C699C&quot;&gt;A very nice obituary and summary of Foy&#039;s life.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:34:58 -0600</pubDate>
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 <title>Target is Not a Temple</title>
 <link>http://www.reallivepreacher.com/rlparchive/node/653</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;I like the cut of
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://moralcontradictions.blogspot.com/2005/12/target-is-not-temple.html&quot;&gt;
&lt;font color=&quot;#5C699C&quot;&gt;this guy&#039;s&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; jib&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:12:18 -0600</pubDate>
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 <title>Civil Religion</title>
 <link>http://www.reallivepreacher.com/rlparchive/node/526</link>
 <description>&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://blogs.salon.com/0001772/images/churchflagsepia.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;San Antonio, Texas - June 2005&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Architecture is the body language of the church&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;So many questions.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;First, you don&#039;t just chance upon a flag
like that at Walmart. Someone at this church&amp;nbsp;had to decide to get
the really, REALLY big flag from wherever it is that people buy real
big flags. So this was an intentional move, not some accident or some
misunderstanding on the part of some committee. This is the message
they want to send.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Second, don&#039;t you wonder if there is a cross, or some stained glass, or some kind of sacred symbol behind that flag?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Third, is it possible that no one in leadership at this congregation had any second thoughts about this?&amp;nbsp;Wh&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;at
if a Christian from another country, say Iraq, happened by and wanted
to attend worship. Would they feel welcome in this place? Would they
feel a kinship with their brothers and sisters in Christ?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p align=&quot;left&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Finally, whatever happened to the first
commandment -&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt have no other gods before Me? Covering
your church with a flag creates a very frightening symbol. When the
state and the church&amp;nbsp;become enmeshed, it is bad for both of them.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:29:25 -0600</pubDate>
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